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some plo8 hands.

Chris_McChris_Mc Member Posts: 1,340
edited October 2014 in The Poker Clinic
recently took too playing some plo8, and find myself reallt enjoying it although learning still every game, will post a few hands below and see if theres room for improvement which im pretty sure there is, mainly though are these the types of hands I should be playing,

1st one is from the plo8 mtt tonight my exit hand.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
onejohnb Small blind  75.00 75.00 3362.50
Chris_Mc Big blind  150.00 225.00 2250.00
  Your hole cards
  • J
  • Q
  • A
  • 4
     
xxxRaise  525.00 750.00 5297.50
Skys_Limit Fold     
watson5 Fold     
shrug Fold     
onejohnb Fold     
Chris_Mc Raise  1500.00 2250.00 750.00
xxxRaise  4500.00 6750.00 797.50
Chris_Mc All-in  750.00 7500.00 0.00
xxxUnmatched bet  2625.00 4875.00 3422.50
Chris_Mc Show
  • J
  • Q
  • A
  • 4
   
xxx Show
  • 10
  • K
  • J
  • K
   
Flop
   
  • K
  • 9
  • 8
     
Turn
   
  • A
     
River
   
  • J
     
xxxWin high Three Kings 4875.00  8297.50
 No qualifying low hand   
the next two are my biggest losing hands from 2 DYM's earlier
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
xxx Small blind  300.00 300.00 651.62
Chris_Mc Big blind  600.00 900.00 3976.56
  Your hole cards
  • Q
  • A
  • K
  • J
     
stewie7 Fold     
raygrayte Fold     
xxx All-in  651.62 1551.62 0.00
Chris_Mc Call  351.62 1903.24 3624.94
xxx Show
  • 2
  • A
  • 2
  • 10
   
Chris_Mc Show
  • Q
  • A
  • K
  • J
   
Flop
   
  • 7
  • 4
  • 3
     
Turn
   
  • 4
     
River
   
  • 5
     
xxx Win high Straight to the 5 951.62  951.62
xxx Win low 5-low 951.62
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
stewie7 Small blind  25.00 25.00 2720.00
raygrayte Big blind  50.00 75.00 1895.00
  Your hole cards
  • 4
  • 4
  • 7
  • 5
     
tmdvdemz11 Fold     
xxxx Call  50.00 125.00 1882.50
serrant Call  50.00 175.00 1272.50
Chris_Mc Call  50.00 225.00 2140.00
stewie7 Call  25.00 250.00 2695.00
raygrayte Check     
Flop
   
  • 6
  • J
  • 4
     
stewie7 Check     
raygrayte Check     
xxxx Check     
serrant Check     
Chris_Mc Bet  187.50 437.50 1952.50
stewie7 Fold     
raygrayte Fold     
xxxx Call  187.50 625.00 1695.00
serrant Fold     
Turn
   
  • 5
     
xxx Check     
Chris_Mc Check     
River
   
  • 10
     
xxx Bet  625.00 1250.00 1070.00
Chris_Mc Call  625.00 1875.00 1327.50
xxx Show
  • A
  • A
  • 3
  • 2
   
Chris_Mc Muck
  • 4
  • 4
  • 7
  • 5
   
xxx Win high Straight to the 6 937.50  2007.50
xxxWin low 6-low 937.50

and a few of the bigger hands that won... somehow?
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
raygrayte Small blind  200.00 200.00 2137.71
tmdvdemz11 Big blind  400.00 600.00 3527.61
  Your hole cards
  • A
  • A
  • 9
  • 2
     
Chris_Mc Raise  1400.00 2000.00 538.28
stewie7 Fold     
raygrayte Fold     
tmdvdemz11 Raise  2000.00 4000.00 1527.61
Chris_Mc All-in  538.28 4538.28 0.00
tmdvdemz11 Unmatched bet  461.72 4076.56 1989.33
tmdvdemz11 Show
  • Q
  • A
  • 3
  • 5
   
Chris_Mc Show
  • A
  • A
  • 9
  • 2
   
Flop
   
  • 7
  • 10
  • J
     
Turn
   
  • 4
     
River
   
  • 8
     
Chris_Mc Win high Pair of Aces 2038.28  2038.28
Chris_Mc Win low 8-low 2038.28
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
Macacgirl1 Small blind  200.00 200.00 2600.00
enabler145 Big blind  400.00 600.00 1580.00
  Your hole cards
  • 5
  • K
  • A
  • 3
     
w4rlock Fold     
Chris_Mc Raise  1400.00 2000.00 171.25
johnneil Fold     
Macacgirl1 Fold     
enabler145 All-in  1580.00 3580.00 0.00
Chris_Mc All-in  171.25 3751.25 0.00
enabler145 Unmatched bet  408.75 3342.50 408.75
enabler145 Show
  • 4
  • 10
  • K
  • K
   
Chris_Mc Show
  • 5
  • K
  • A
  • 3
   
Flop
   
  • 5
  • 3
  • 6
     
Turn
   
  • 8
     
River
   
  • 9
     
Chris_Mc Win high Two Pairs, 5s and 3s 1671.26  1671.26
Chris_Mc Win low 8-low 1671.24
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
enabler145 Small blind  300.00 300.00 108.74
w4rlock Big blind  600.00 900.00 2806.26
  Your hole cards
  • 7
  • A
  • 8
  • K
     
Chris_Mc Raise  1200.00 2100.00 2142.50
johnneil Fold     
Macacgirl1 Fold     
enabler145 All-in  108.74 2208.74 0.00
w4rlock Call  600.00 2808.74 2206.26
Flop
   
  • A
  • K
  • A
     
w4rlock Check     
Chris_Mc Bet  600.00 3408.74 1542.50
w4rlock Fold     
Chris_Mc Unmatched bet  600.00 2808.74 2142.50
enabler145 Show
  • 4
  • 9
  • 4
  • 2
   
Chris_Mc Show
  • 7
  • A
  • 8
  • K
   
Turn
   
  • J
     
River
   
  • 6
     
Chris_Mc Win high Full House, Aces and Kings 2808.74  4951.24
 No qualifying low hand
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
tmdvdemz11 Small blind  75.00 75.00 2689.99
10014010 Big blind  150.00 225.00 4195.00
  Your hole cards
  • Q
  • Q
  • 2
  • 3
     
Chris_Mc Call  150.00 375.00 2066.26
stewie7 Fold     
raygrayte Fold     
tmdvdemz11 Fold     
10014010 Check     
Flop
   
  • J
  • 4
  • A
     
10014010 Check     
Chris_Mc Bet  281.25 656.25 1785.01
10014010 Call  281.25 937.50 3913.75
Turn
   
  • 5
     
10014010 Check     
Chris_Mc Check     
River
   
  • 3
     
10014010 Check     
Chris_Mc Bet  937.50 1875.00 847.51
10014010 Call  937.50 2812.50 2976.25
Chris_Mc Show
  • Q
  • Q
  • 2
  • 3
   
10014010 Muck
  • K
  • A
  • 6
  • 10
   
Chris_Mc Win high Flush to the Ace 1406.26  2253.77
Chris_Mc Win low 5-low 1406.24  3660.01


im not asking for anyone too analyse every hand, just curious if im heading in the right direction, and should I be doing much different.

cheers.
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  • TalonTalon Member Posts: 1,621
    edited October 2014


      Try to post less hands first of all. 2 at a time i would say. 

    Saying that. i will do the first 2 for you
     

    hand 1. Snap fold preflop. It is an ok hand but the third heart weakens it quite a bit. But looking at the chipstacks involved the three other people in the hand have less than you in total so no point in you really getting involved too much. You have an easy cash here so take it by folding any marginal spots

     hand 2: Completely standard call. Nothing wrong. Only mistake possible in this hand would be to fold preflop
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  • Chris_McChris_Mc Member Posts: 1,340
    edited October 2014
    In Response to Re: some plo8 hands.:
      Try to post less hands first of all. 2 at a time i would say.  Saying that. i will do the first 2 for you   hand 1. Snap fold preflop. It is an ok hand but the third heart weakens it quite a bit. But looking at the chipstacks involved the three other people in the hand have less than you in total so no point in you really getting involved too much. You have an easy cash here so take it by folding any marginal spots  hand 2: Completely standard call. Nothing wrong. Only mistake possible in this hand would be to fold preflop
    Posted by Talon

    cheers talon.

    Knowing i have 3 hearts in the first hand i thought was ok because of A4h and AQh
    Both connect. But ill keep that in mind. And the second hand wasnt too sure about because im looking too hold the low cards aswell as high.

    will post less next time :)

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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 171,048
    edited October 2014

    Hi Chris,

    As Talon says (he is a fine Omaha judge) please post less hands at a time, it makes it hard to reply to so many, but I'll have a bash.
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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 171,048
    edited October 2014


    Hand # 1.

    Your A-Q-J-4 v K-K-J-10.

    I'll take your hand over his all day & night, & twice on Sunday.

    Everything else is irrelevant, including who won on this occasion. A-Q-J-4 is MILES more playable than K-K-J-10. K-K-J-10 is really tough to play on a low flop.

    We want, ideally, COMBO hands (High AND Low) & A-Q-J-4 is a pretty good combo hand.
     
    Leaving aside monster premiiums like A-A-2-3, the Combo Hands we want to go to war with all contain.....

    A-K, or A-Q

    A-2, A-3, A-4.

    So almost any combo that includes A-K-Q-2-3-4 is good enough to go to war with. We prefer A-K to A-Q, & we prefer A-2 to A-3 or A-4, but between the High & the Low, A-Q-J-4 is very playable.

    The problem with the K-K-J-10 hand is that, so very often, he is only playing for half. In such cases, if we have the low locked up, we can put a ton of betting pressure on him, & unless he has the abso nuts, he cant call - in fact he'd be MAD to call unless he has the abso nut high, & even then he only gets half. 

    Try & think of those spots where, with the low locked up, we can put pressure on high-only hands.
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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 171,048
    edited October 2014


    Hand # 2

    Your A-K-Q-J v his A-2-2-10.

    We have a terrible PLO8 hand here, we want his hand over ours all day & night, especially after that flop which abso killed any chance we had of scooping.

    Try to play SCOOP hands.  As a scoop hand, we were dead on the flop here, so we risked our tourney for nothing.
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  • TalonTalon Member Posts: 1,621
    edited October 2014

      In order to save any confusion chris. Tikay and i despite saying pretty much the opposite in both of those hands are talking from totally different aspects.

    In both hands tikay is talking about the relative merits of the hands and how well they play in which respect he is totally correct.
     Whereas my replies on those 2 hands were entirely based on relative chipstacks and situation within the dym.

     So hand 1: your hand plays better than his and had good scoop potential, but 3 players have by my reckoning about 1000 chips between them. So for me good chip management says fold

    Hand 2: Doesnt play too well and is only playing for the Hi pot. But is on the bubble and only requires about half a BB to call when you are nicely chipped. So that is why for me it is a standard call.


     This is the key to playing these game. The knowledge of how good your hand is and how well it plays as well as chip management and risk avoidance skills.
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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 171,048
    edited October 2014


    Yes, sorry, I'm just talking "hand values", as I assume Chris is fine with MTT & DYM strategy.
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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 171,048
    edited October 2014


    Hand # 3

    4-4-5-7

    4-4-5-7?

    WHAT?!

    Bin it, don't even THINK about playing that sort of garbage, ever. IMO, of course. I could easily be persuaded to take a flop with that in PLO, but in PLO8, no thank you.
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