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Fixed? who regulates sky poker?

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  • jdsallstarjdsallstar Member Posts: 1,675
    edited November 2014
    Why oh why do these people always have such a poor grasp of spelling and grammar?! 

    I'm not asking for Shakespeare just the basics will suffice. 

    Anyway,  yeah q6....fold pre. 
  • iatehorseiatehorse Member Posts: 50
    edited November 2014
    These threads just get wacker and wackier,
    So sky poker is going to have someone cheating in a£1 game,they are going to risk a multi billion business for a£1 game of poker, this the reason this section needs to stay jac,
    I need to keep reading about the downfall of the sky network because of £1

  • andipandyandipandy Member Posts: 101
    edited November 2014
    In Response to Re: Fixed? who regulates sky poker?:
    small typo in your alias?
    Posted by Jac35
    :-)
    This is the only reason I read these threads..... ! Lol
  • TalonTalon Member Posts: 1,621
    edited November 2014
    In Response to Re: Fixed? who regulates sky poker?:
    My Q6 would have won in none fixed poker, it only lost to one hand it could with a fake flop Same player who's just been on my table again and smashed it again with silly hands again U been warned, who regulates this? I got it on tape plus the last hand AJ lost to 8-3 to same player.... It is not normal poker, I want my £1 back
    Posted by lufcWacker
      This has to be the best quote of all. it only lost to 1 hand.

     With the board as you describe it i think you will find that it loses to 13 different Jx hands, 12 different Tx hands AA and Kx hearts. So it was only actually losing to 27 completely different hands.

      So the post should really read oh no i had the 28th nuts and i lost how unlucky am i
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 171,048
    edited November 2014
    In Response to Re: Fixed? who regulates sky poker?:
    In Response to Re: Fixed? who regulates sky poker? :   This has to be the best quote of all. it only lost to 1 hand.  With the board as you describe it i think you will find that it loses to 13 different Jx hands, 12 different Tx hands AA and Kx hearts. So it was only actually losing to 27 completely different hands.   So the post should really read oh no i had the 28th nuts and i lost how unlucky am i
    Posted by Talon
    It also loses to quads?
  • TalonTalon Member Posts: 1,621
    edited November 2014
      One of the Jx and one of the Tx hands i mentioned include the quads.

      Most people dont think of quads too much really But as exponents of the 4 card game we see them a lot more
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 171,048
    edited November 2014
    In Response to Re: Fixed? who regulates sky poker?:
      One of the Jx and one of the Tx hands i mentioned include the quads.   Most people dont think of quads too much really But as exponents of the 4 card game we see them a lot more
    Posted by Talon
    Ahh, gotcha.

    If I were King for a Day......

    I'd make every NLH player play PLO or PLO8 for a month BEFORE they play NLH. That would help them so much to understand the wonders of poker & the outdraws possible.
     
    As you know, in PLO, we can flop the stone cold nuts, & have to fold. Fold the flopped nuts! It's quite usual & normal.

    Phil Hellmuth wrote a story once where he held the absolute nuts on the turn in PLO, but COULD NOT POSSIBLY win the hand - every card in the deck beat him on the river.

    And if were playing PLO & had the 27th nuts, we'd be nuts to invest another chip.
     
  • TalonTalon Member Posts: 1,621
    edited November 2014

      Not an easy task to explain to nlhe players. 

     Hard enough to explain folding the nuts on the flop. But then try explaining how folding AAxx preflop is a correct decision some times
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 171,048
    edited November 2014
    In Response to Re: Fixed? who regulates sky poker?:
      Not an easy task to explain to nlhe players.   Hard enough to explain folding the nuts on the flop. But then try explaining how folding AAxx preflop is a correct decision some times
    Posted by Talon
    Ha!

    Very true.

    If I play 20 PLO8 DYM's in an evening, I can guarantee I'll fold A-A-x-x pre-flop at least 3 times.

    As you say, a difficult concept for NLH players to grasp. 

    But it puts in context the Opening Post. He lost a perfectly standard hand, not even a bad beat, so he decides to say that the site is "bent". I wonder what he'd say if Sky Poker suggested (hypothetically) he was a cheat? He'd be livid, & quite right too. But he can say Sky Poker is not legit, his evidence being he lost whilst holding the 27th nuts.  

    Strange old world, 'innit?
  • TalonTalon Member Posts: 1,621
    edited November 2014

     Quite a few alien concepts to nlhe players that PLO or PLO8 players know.

     Folding the nuts
     Folding AAxx preflop
     Not chasing bad flush or straight draws
     Bottom set is probably the worst hand possible.

     But this is also part of the reason i love playing nlhe players in the 4 card game

  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited November 2014
    Guys, lets not derail this valuable thread with 4 card chit chat yeah? :)
  • EnutEnut Member Posts: 3,564
    edited November 2014
    In Response to Re: Fixed? who regulates sky poker?:
    In Response to Re: Fixed? who regulates sky poker? : Ahh, gotcha. If I were King for a Day...... I'd make every NLH player play PLO or PLO8 for a month BEFORE they play NLH. That would help them so much to understand the wonders of poker & the outdraws possible.   As you know, in PLO, we can flop the stone cold nuts, & have to fold. Fold the flopped nuts! It's quite usual & normal. Phil Hellmuth wrote a story once where he held the absolute nuts on the turn in PLO, but COULD NOT POSSIBLY win the hand - every card in the deck beat him on the river. And if were playing PLO & had the 27th nuts, we'd be nuts to invest another chip.  
    Posted by Tikay10
    I would love to see this, I presume it was just as a story he made up to show how brilliant he is rather than actually true!
  • cowheadcowhead Member Posts: 177
    edited November 2014
    In Response to Re: Fixed? who regulates sky poker?:
    I was smashing the table up to that point chip leader them boom fix out, then 8-3 beat aj to same player And same player on my next table and same thing happened to other players with more fake hands
    Posted by lufcWacker
    ffs really? 
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 171,048
    edited November 2014
    In Response to Re: Fixed? who regulates sky poker?:
    In Response to Re: Fixed? who regulates sky poker? : I would love to see this, I presume it was just as a story he made up to show how brilliant he is rather than actually true!
    Posted by Enut
    The story is true, or at least the point he made is factually correct. It was not actually Phil though, he just told the story.

    I''ll post it shortly.

    A player held the stone cold nuts on the turn in Omaha, & COULD NOT POSSIBLY WIN.
     
    Just imagine if that happened on Sky Poker to one of those riggies......

    Incidentally, it was LIVE Poker, not Online.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 171,048
    edited November 2014

    ".....OK y’all, the following hand occurred in a $5-$10 blind pot limit Omaha game in Kinder, La. Jeff Sparks out of Houston wrote this hand up, and sent it to me. It reminds me of a very famous statement that I have heard many times…it seems to be right at the tip of my tongue. Oh well, let’s get to the hand right now:

    Small blind (SB): holds 5c-7c-8s-9s ($800)

    Big blind (BB): holds 3d-5s-7s-8d ($1,000)

    Position 1: Under the gun holds Ac-Ad-4c-4d ($600)

    Position 2: Jeff holds Kd-Kd-10d-10s ($1,500)

    Position 3: Holds As-Qs-Jh-9h ($2,000)

    Position 4: Holds Kh-10h-6d-6c ($400)

    Position one (P1) brings it in for $35 under the gun, all hands called with good reasoning.

    The flop comes down10c-6s-4s.

    The SB–with a wrap and a weak flush draw–leads at the pot for $150. The BB calls $150 with a weaker wrap and a straight flush draw, P1 (with bottom set) calls, Jeff (P2) wants a safe turn card before he puts all of his money in the pot with top set, so he just calls. P3 (with the nut flush draw) just calls, and then P6 (with middle set) just calls.

    Jeff gets what looks like the second-best card in the deck to him (after the fourth ten), the Kc, for a board of 10c-6s-4s-Kc.

    Now the SB checks, the BB checks, P1 checks, and Jeff (P2) bets the pot for about $1,100. After all, he just got the safe card he was looking for with the Kc-it made him a set of kings to go with his set of tens. P3 now has a wrap draw as well as the nut flush draw, and decides to put in all of his chips-about $200 more than Jeff put in. The pot is now so out of shape that P4 has to call with his small money (about $250). Then everyone else calls all-in as well, with about four side pots. $5,800 makes a pretty big pot, especially this early the night (2 hours into the game), and Jeff wants some insurance or at least to see how many outs there are against his hand.

    Funny thing about that safe card on the turn though, it gave Jeff the nuts with one to come, but it also killed him deader than a stone! There is not a single card in the deck that can come on the last card that would allow Jeff to win the pot. I just remembered that famous statement: be careful what you ask for, you might get it. In this case, the off suit K looked like Jeff’s second-best-possible card. He got what he wanted, only to find out that it was the worst possible card in the deck for his hand!

    Fortunately for Jeff, the big blind ended up drawing out on him on the river when the 2d came off of the deck for a final board of 10c-6s-4s-Kc-2d, which allowed Jeff to only lose $500 on the hand. Repeat that out loud once. Jeff was lucky to only lose $500 on a hand where he had the stone-cold-nuts with one to come!..."

  • shepspaulshepspaul Member Posts: 61
    edited January 2015
    obviously nobody never seen so many full houses out when all in its just not normal vested interests
  • yuranASSetyuranASSet Member Posts: 485
    edited January 2015
    In Response to Re: Fixed? who regulates sky poker?:
    In Response to Re: Fixed? who regulates sky poker? : Q6 FOLD PRE FLOP
    Posted by rainman397
    You don't even know what position he was! You a nit!
  • SlipwaterSlipwater Member Posts: 3,611
    edited January 2015
    In Response to Re: Fixed? who regulates sky poker?:
    obviously nobody never seen so many full houses out when all in its just not normal vested interests
    Posted by shepspaul
    You obviously don't play a lot of live poker, buddy. You see that kind of thing with great regularity.
  • EnutEnut Member Posts: 3,564
    edited January 2015
    In Response to Re: Fixed? who regulates sky poker?:
    ".....OK y’all, the following hand occurred in a $5-$10 blind pot limit Omaha game in Kinder, La. Jeff Sparks out of Houston wrote this hand up, and sent it to me. It reminds me of a very famous statement that I have heard many times…it seems to be right at the tip of my tongue. Oh well, let’s get to the hand right now: Small blind (SB): holds 5c-7c-8s-9s ($800) Big blind (BB): holds 3d-5s-7s-8d ($1,000) Position 1: Under the gun holds Ac-Ad-4c-4d ($600) Position 2: Jeff holds Kd-Kd-10d-10s ($1,500) Position 3: Holds As-Qs-Jh-9h ($2,000) Position 4: Holds Kh-10h-6d-6c ($400) Position one (P1) brings it in for $35 under the gun, all hands called with good reasoning. The flop comes down10c-6s-4s. The SB–with a wrap and a weak flush draw–leads at the pot for $150. The BB calls $150 with a weaker wrap and a straight flush draw, P1 (with bottom set) calls, Jeff (P2) wants a safe turn card before he puts all of his money in the pot with top set, so he just calls. P3 (with the nut flush draw) just calls, and then P6 (with middle set) just calls. Jeff gets what looks like the second-best card in the deck to him (after the fourth ten), the Kc, for a board of 10c-6s-4s-Kc. Now the SB checks, the BB checks, P1 checks, and Jeff (P2) bets the pot for about $1,100. After all, he just got the safe card he was looking for with the Kc-it made him a set of kings to go with his set of tens. P3 now has a wrap draw as well as the nut flush draw, and decides to put in all of his chips-about $200 more than Jeff put in. The pot is now so out of shape that P4 has to call with his small money (about $250). Then everyone else calls all-in as well, with about four side pots. $5,800 makes a pretty big pot, especially this early the night (2 hours into the game), and Jeff wants some insurance or at least to see how many outs there are against his hand. Funny thing about that safe card on the turn though, it gave Jeff the nuts with one to come, but it also killed him deader than a stone! There is not a single card in the deck that can come on the last card that would allow Jeff to win the pot . I just remembered that famous statement: be careful what you ask for, you might get it. In this case, the off suit K looked like Jeff’s second-best-possible card. He got what he wanted, only to find out that it was the worst possible card in the deck for his hand! Fortunately for Jeff, the big blind ended up drawing out on him on the river when the 2d came off of the deck for a final board of 10c-6s-4s-Kc-2d, which allowed Jeff to only lose $500 on the hand. Repeat that out loud once. Jeff was lucky to only lose $500 on a hand where he had the stone-cold-nuts with one to come!..."
    Posted by Tikay10
    Sorry Tikay I hadn't checked this thread for weeks so missed your post.

    Really interesting situation and thanks for posting it. Next time I get hit the nuts on the turn I shall fold in honour of this hand!
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 171,048
    edited January 2015
    In Response to Re: Fixed? who regulates sky poker?:
    In Response to Re: Fixed? who regulates sky poker? : Sorry Tikay I hadn't checked this thread for weeks so missed your post. Really interesting situation and thanks for posting it. Next time I get hit the nuts on the turn I shall fold in honour of this hand!
    Posted by Enut
    In a "Live" 6 card Omaha Tourney a few months ago @ The Vic, we were on the Final Table, from about 70 runners.
     
    I flopped the absolute nuts, (straight) with FIVE players still to act behind me.

    The board was straighty, with 2 spades. I had no spades & no "extensions" or "improvers".

    I check-folded to extreme strength.

    One player had top set, one had nut flush draw, one had K flush draw.
     
    The bigger straight got there on the turn, & the river was a spade that paired the board.

    I think that is a perfectly standard fold in PLO, an experienced PLO player would not give it a moments thought. 
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