Think 3bet jamming is pretty standard instead of 'normal' 3betting in this scenario. (calling would be terrible Gary!) We are essentially last to act. Shame we've been angle shot by the BB, snide tactic indeed.
Think 3bet jamming is pretty standard instead of 'normal' 3betting in this scenario. (calling would be terrible Gary!) We are essentially last to act. Shame we've been angle shot by the BB, snide tactic indeed. Ul Jordan. Posted by hhyftrftdr
I don't follow - how can 3bet jamming be standard? What advantage do we gain by shipping as opposed to a normal 3-bet? Seems they gain similar ev vs the BTN but one loses massively if BB happens to wake up with a hand.
As for the suggestion of automatically folding your hand when away (even before your turn to act) - I think this would be fine if the sky software worked well. As is, I can see this annoying a lot of people.
Surely reraising to put the other player all in (10BB) is preferable, then in the event that BB 'wakes up' and goes all in we can fold and still have a playable 25BB stack. I can't see how this doesn't achieve what we want without any down side.
As to whether the 'sit out' is deliberate or not I would give the benefit of the doubt but make a note 'Sits out to trap?' If I see him do it again then I remove the question mark and put it in capaital letters.
In Response to Re: Opinions.... : I don't follow - how can 3bet jamming be standard? What advantage do we gain by shipping as opposed to a normal 3-bet? Seems they gain similar ev vs the BTN but one loses massively if BB happens to wake up with a hand. As for the suggestion of automatically folding your hand when away (even before your turn to act) - I think this would be fine if the sky software worked well. As is, I can see this annoying a lot of people. Posted by F_Ivanovic
Surely reraising to put the other player all in (10BB) is preferable, then in the event that BB 'wakes up' and goes all in we can fold and still have a playable 25BB stack. I can't see how this doesn't achieve what we want without any down side. As to whether the 'sit out' is deliberate or not I would give the benefit of the doubt but make a note 'Sits out to trap?' If I see him do it again then I remove the question mark and put it in capaital letters. Posted by Enut
in hindsight i would have just been reraising enough to commit him, but when you are playing lots of tables and you have an away player next to you i think most players would just be hitting the all in button...
I may be reading this all wrong but it comes across to me like the button has raised, your thinking goes summat like " he's stealing away bb ,I've got a decent ace so I'll steal it" you make the mistake of shipping when you could've clicked back,irrespective of how many tables your playing,then the bb comes back ( could be genuine,could be tactical,but that is not the issue) and catches you with your hand firmly in the cookie jar., as a fairly average rec player I think in your case you should be thinking,what if the bb returns.? Do you want a call or not,if not don't ship.i am surprised you seem to be pointing the finger at the bb as this is not the first time this has happened nor will it be the last,I would go so far as to suggest that this tactic may be employed by some who are pretty sick of people stealing their blinds when they have had connection issues in the past, bit of karma perhaps...
Tom, I don't think Jordz is that bothered about trying to resteal the away BB! More a case of someone raising from a sub 10bb stack and Jordan sticking his stack in in the belief the BB isn't there to throw any spanners in the works and putting the short stack all in for his tournament life.
Out of interest Jordan, how long had the guy been away for? Just that hand? Orbit? Longer?
I may be reading this all wrong but it comes across to me like the button has raised, your thinking goes summat like " he's stealing away bb ,I've got a decent ace so I'll steal it" you make the mistake of shipping when you could've clicked back,irrespective of how many tables your playing,then the bb comes back ( could be genuine,could be tactical,but that is not the issue) and catches you with your hand firmly in the cookie jar., as a fairly average rec player I think in your case you should be thinking,what if the bb returns.? Do you want a call or not,if not don't ship.i am surprised you seem to be pointing the finger at the bb as this is not the first time this has happened nor will it be the last,I would go so far as to suggest that this tactic may be employed by some who are pretty sick of people stealing their blinds when they have had connection issues in the past, bit of karma perhaps... Posted by tomgoodun
lol i dont know where to start with this! all details are in the original post, i just wanted a few opinions and to see what people thought about the situation.. i shoved because i believed only 2 people were in the hand and that my hand was strong enough to shove on a 10 bb stack, im not trying to steal or resteal because if we had both been sitting with 35bbs i would have probably folded or maybe flatted even with the bb away... all im asking is for peoples opinions on whether deliberately sitting out in the bb when you have a big hand to guarantee some action
Tom, I don't think Jordz is that bothered about trying to resteal the away BB! More a case of someone raising from a sub 10bb stack and Jordan sticking his stack in in the belief the BB isn't there to throw any spanners in the works and putting the short stack all in for his tournament life. Out of interest Jordan, how long had the guy been away for? Just that hand? Orbit? Longer? Posted by hhyftrftdr
it was just that hand as far as i remember, although he would have been utg the previous hand so i may have not noticed it anyway but it hadnt been an orbit thats for sure
In Response to Re: Opinions.... : yeah im fully aware thats a possibility, but the maths would be that he had to have came back in the exact 1 second gap that you get between my shove and his timebar starting to run down, also at a time when he has a massive hand, and also at a time he is in the BB (the one position where you make the button/SB compelled to raise you) all them 3 factors together makes it feel like the odds on it being a genuine away scenario as very slim Posted by jordz16
Lets assume it was genuine:
If he didnt come back in the exact second, he'd have folded and you'd be non the wiser
If he didnt have a big hand he would have folded you'd be non the wiser
If he wasnt in the BB we wouldnt have been facing a steal and a resteal so youd be non the wiser.
People go away and comeback all the time, the only time you'll notice anything is when:
They are facing an aggressive action
They comeback before the action times them out
They have a hand that can stand an aggressive action.
Given a 35bb all in, the ONLY hand that will ever show up is a monster. He wont rush back to call with 84o.
Can the person in question doing this (they know who they are) perhaps consider not doing it? Not breaking any rules but far from in the spirit of the game. Or the spirit of Christmas. You didn't see baby Jesus pretending to be away in his manger.
Bump. Can the person in question doing this (they know who they are) perhaps consider not doing it? Not breaking any rules but far from in the spirit of the game. Or the spirit of Christmas. You didn't see baby Jesus pretending to be away in his manger. Oh wait. Posted by hhyftrftdr
Yeah, Sorry Jordz, All.
Me Bad!!
Is that a Bright Star Overhead?? ...and I smell Frankensence!!
Thanks Harry, You have made me see the Light & Error of My Ways! ...I know you been trying too.
Surely reraising to put the other player all in (10BB) is preferable, then in the event that BB 'wakes up' and goes all in we can fold and still have a playable 25BB stack. I can't see how this doesn't achieve what we want without any down side. As to whether the 'sit out' is deliberate or not I would give the benefit of the doubt but make a note 'Sits out to trap?' If I see him do it again then I remove the question mark and put it in capaital letters. Posted by Enut
Just to up date you I experienced the same thing last night with, I think, the same player. He's sat out and I raise with A8 on the button, then he 'wakes up' with AK. He's short stacked so it all goes in and luckily I bink an 8 to knock him out, Karma possibly!
Anyway suffice to say my 'Sits out to trap?' now has the question mark removed and is in capital letters!
As has been said it's not breaking any rules but isn't really in the spirit of the game, IMO.
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Think 3bet jamming is pretty standard instead of 'normal' 3betting in this scenario. (calling would be terrible Gary!) We are essentially last to act. Shame we've been angle shot by the BB, snide tactic indeed.
Ul Jordan.
As for the suggestion of automatically folding your hand when away (even before your turn to act) - I think this would be fine if the sky software worked well. As is, I can see this annoying a lot of people.
Out of interest Jordan, how long had the guy been away for? Just that hand? Orbit? Longer?
Can the person in question doing this (they know who they are) perhaps consider not doing it? Not breaking any rules but far from in the spirit of the game. Or the spirit of Christmas. You didn't see baby Jesus pretending to be away in his manger.
Oh wait.
Me Bad!!
Is that a Bright Star Overhead??
...and I smell Frankensence!!
Thanks Harry, You have made me see the Light & Error of My Ways!
...I know you been trying too.
Anyway suffice to say my 'Sits out to trap?' now has the question mark removed and is in capital letters!
As has been said it's not breaking any rules but isn't really in the spirit of the game, IMO.