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And the next game..... think I'm done.....

JimRiddle7JimRiddle7 Member Posts: 142
edited December 2014 in Brags, Beats and Variance


And again..  seriously, i'm going to be signing up at some other poker rooms..  been here 3yrs.


Hand History #849582877 (23:36 14/12/2014)PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancemidasman19Small blind 50.0050.002065.00THE_NINEBig blind 100.00150.001510.00 Your hole cardsJJ   trance20Fold    JimRiddle7All-in 1710.001860.000.00MrTeddukFold    midasman19Fold    THE_NINEAll-in 1510.003370.000.00JimRiddle7Unmatched bet 100.003270.00100.00THE_NINEShow66   JimRiddle7ShowJJ   Flop  76Q   Turn  2   River  8   THE_NINEWinThree 6s3270.00 3270.00
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited December 2014
    Yeah cos 80/20's always hold on other sites.

    You've posted 3 hands in here today and all 3 are dubious to some degree on your part.
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  • jdsallstarjdsallstar Member Posts: 1,675
    edited December 2014
    Again shove is too big. Just make your normal size open
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  • stuarty117stuarty117 Member Posts: 1,395
    edited December 2014
    As JD say too many chips to shove in a dym at 50/100, 2x or 3x and play from there. But probably would have lost the hand anyway.
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  • JimRiddle7JimRiddle7 Member Posts: 142
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: And the next game..... think I'm done.....:
    Again shove is too big. Just make your normal size open
    Posted by jdsallstar
    Ok guys, but my point is this...

    If i play 2 games, and i get my money in good both times , but i lose both games, it makes it near impossible to win..
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  • SlipwaterSlipwater Member Posts: 3,592
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: And the next game..... think I'm done.....:
    In Response to Re: And the next game..... think I'm done..... : Ok guys, but my point is this... If i play 2 games, and i get my money in good both times , but i lose both games, it makes it near impossible to win..
    Posted by JimRiddle7
    Gonna have to play a few more than just two games to balance things out.
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  • Matt237Matt237 Member Posts: 1,785
    edited December 2014
    This is a pretty bad shove in a DYM spot and you are lucky he only had 66
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  • JimRiddle7JimRiddle7 Member Posts: 142
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: And the next game..... think I'm done.....:
    In Response to Re: And the next game..... think I'm done..... : Gonna have to play a few more than just two games to balance things out.
    Posted by Slipwater
    Yep, i thought that as i typed it..  just losing 2 in a row when youre way ahead preflop is annoying... lol
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  • JimRiddle7JimRiddle7 Member Posts: 142
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: And the next game..... think I'm done.....:
    This is a pretty bad shove in a DYM spot and you are lucky he only had 66
    Posted by Matt237
    Not really..   17bb in the cut off..

    blind stealing is vital in some spots...
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  • F_IvanovicF_Ivanovic Member Posts: 2,410
    edited December 2014
    Poker is about exploiting your opponents. If OP was against very good players then his shove is pretty bad. But when you have someone calling off with 66 then shoving is EXACTLY what you should be doing.


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  • JimRiddle7JimRiddle7 Member Posts: 142
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: And the next game..... think I'm done.....:
    Poker is about exploiting your opponents. If OP was against very good players then his shove is pretty bad. But when you have someone calling off with 66 then shoving is EXACTLY what you should be doing.
    Posted by F_Ivanovic
    Thankyou Ivanovic, your answers are always superb, gives me the motivation to carry on... :)
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  • Matt237Matt237 Member Posts: 1,785
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: And the next game..... think I'm done.....:
    In Response to Re: And the next game..... think I'm done..... : Not really..   17bb in the cut off.. blind stealing is vital in some spots...
    Posted by JimRiddle7
    Yeah cause blind stealing at 50/100 with a 1700 stack in a DYM is vital...
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  • jdsallstarjdsallstar Member Posts: 1,675
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: And the next game..... think I'm done.....:
    Poker is about exploiting your opponents. If OP was against very good players then his shove is pretty bad. But when you have someone calling off with 66 then shoving is EXACTLY what you should be doing.
    Posted by F_Ivanovic
    Considering the majority of players at these levels are not great, what range would you advise open shoving like this as a general strategy for dyms? 
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  • JimRiddle7JimRiddle7 Member Posts: 142
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: And the next game..... think I'm done.....:
    In Response to Re: And the next game..... think I'm done..... : Considering the majority of players at these levels are not great, what range would you advise open shoving like this as a general strategy for dyms? 
    Posted by jdsallstar
    Good question.. for me, it is just when i feel i'm very likely to be ahead of villians range, just like in the hand above where i had JJ.

    This player seems to think J 5 is enough.. and i still lose..

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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: And the next game..... think I'm done.....:
    Poker is about exploiting your opponents. If OP was against very good players then his shove is pretty bad. But when you have someone calling off with 66 then shoving is EXACTLY what you should be doing.
    Posted by F_Ivanovic
    This is true.

    However, I'm unsure if OP consciously thought 'that guy in the blinds will snap me with any pair', or of he thought 'I have JJ and I'm not sure what course of action to take.....meh I'll just shove'.

    I'm leaning towards the latter after his comment about stealing the blinds, but happy to be proved wrong.
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  • F_IvanovicF_Ivanovic Member Posts: 2,410
    edited December 2014
    In Response to Re: And the next game..... think I'm done.....:
    In Response to Re: And the next game..... think I'm done..... : Considering the majority of players at these levels are not great, what range would you advise open shoving like this as a general strategy for dyms? 
    Posted by jdsallstar
    Probably just 99-JJ. They have enough equity vs a call. We can consider 3x open too (esp with JJ) but I think min-r is a mistake - it invites calls which is something we don't really want in a DYM with these hands surely? I mean open shoving wins outright 150 chips. If we min-r and get called we need to make quite a bit more than 150 chips on avg for min-r to be better (maybe at least 300 chips)
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