Was this a poor snap-fold?

shakinaces

With 3 others in the pot, in a fairly laggy table, is there a case for calling here?

I never figure SB to be strong... UTG more so, but figured more 2pr/set combos... MP in the chat box sort of gave away the hand he rocked up with... but it's easy in hindsight to look on and think this was the perfect set-up.

I mean, it'd be a guaranteed call if I had the As, right... but Ks?  Qs?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
SB	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£9.72
BB	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£7.67
	Your hole cards	Q J
UTG	Call		£0.10	£0.25	£19.90
MP	Raise		£0.30	£0.55	£36.03
shakinaces	Call		£0.30	£0.85	£20.28
BU	Call		£0.30	£1.15	£19.31
SB	Call		£0.25	£1.40	£9.47
BB	Fold
UTG	Call		£0.20	£1.60	£19.70
Flop
		2 3 6
SB	All-in		£9.47	£11.07	£0.00
UTG	All-in		£19.70	£30.77	£0.00
MP	Call		£19.70	£50.47	£16.33
shakinaces	Fold
BU	Fold
SB	Show	A 6
UTG	Show	3 3
MP	Show	K K
Turn
		10
River
		9
UTG	Win	Three 3s	£49.07		£49.07

CraigSG1

Hi shaking. Would like an update on your blog btw!

I think its an easy fold with your hand. For starters we have invested very little, we are not drawing to the nuts so can easily be dominated and we are relying on hitting a flush as its doubtful our overs are clean outs.

As for if we have the A spades? Well, we would have 8 clean outs for the nuts (maybe 7 if he has 45s) so lets say thats about 30% or so. We have to call 20 to win 70 so I guess its very close. There are better players that can say exactly so I'm a bit torn in what I would do. I think with that much action someone has to have at least a set so we can still lose even with a flush so that probably sways me to folding (if we had A spades in our hand).

Would be interesting to know what others think.

I know its gutting to see the 'if only' pots we could have won go away but remember the times you've folded a monster and been right!

Oh, and the guy with KK. I'm folding here so that would be a nice question to be answered - is that a fold or call?

Slipwater

I'm calling the shove from the small blind, but can't really justify going with it when there's another all-in and a call.

Daisy666

about all you could do,poss flush or pair q,s against all in.

Daisy666

opps, seem to be two 3 spades...think your hand needed folding

hhyftrftdr

2 overs and the 3rd nut flush draw facing 3 all ins?! Great spot to gamble

shakinaces

I would never count my overs into the equation here - but at these stakes I'd expect to see over pairs and sets a lot of time in this spot.

On that assumption I could have up to 8 outs (2 of spades no good) so ~32% I hit my flush less the times the board pairs.

So my odds here could be pretty good to call... possibly better than if I was vs a single all in with someone that has a set, made straight or KK+

That was why I figured it should always be a call with AsXs and MAY be a call with Ks/Qs...

I do like a gamble mind

hhyftrftdr

My post was tongue in cheek It's a sigh fold unless you've consumed a bottle of wine.

Call if you can see their cards?

shakinaces

In Response to Re: Was this a poor snap-fold?:

My post was tongue in cheek It's a sigh fold unless you've consumed a bottle of wine. Call if you can see their cards?
Posted by hhyftrftdr

I take that as read for all your posts tbf

The guy that called with KK always tries to talk me into playing live at his local casino. Based on calls like that I'm tempted to go and try some live cash at last...

Pkr_Girl

I think I would have called that.