Whats my best play and why?

CraigSG1

This hand came from a Main Event Sat. I have no reads on villian.

I cant fold 1010 pre but I dont think I can raise here with being OOP, stack sizes being awkward and his strong UTG raise to factor in. Happy or not with that evaluation and call?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
CraigSG1	Small blind		30.00	30.00	3050.00
henners10	Big blind		60.00	90.00	1940.00
	Your hole cards	10 10
bishspur	Raise		240.00	330.00	2333.75
icnoships	Fold
Ukjoe	Fold
raymon1969	Fold
CraigSG1	Call		210.00	540.00	2840.00
henners10	Fold
Flop
		3 9 4
CraigSG1	Check
bishspur	Bet		540.00	1080.00	1793.75

BigBluster

Awkward hand. You can either play it as a small pair to set mine or a big pair to get it in.

Getting in 50BB with a pair of tens is borderline at best. So that can't be recommended. However, by calling, you're playing the hand as a set miner, BUT you're calling 210 of a 2.7K effective stack so there's only 13/1. The odds of hitting your set are about 8/1, but then you need the villain to have a hand before you get paid so it's generally considered that the effective stacks need to be about 25x the bet before set-mining becomes worthwhile.

So by this logic neither calling nor raising to get it in are right. But TT really is too strong to fold here.

I would've done the same as you - take a flop with a view to getting it in or folding. Shove over his bet - would he really have made a full pot bet on that flop with a pair of queens? I doubt it - it stinks of AQ/AJ.

I'm sure though that many will disagree with me. I too find these spots difficult.

CraigSG1

I didn't call to set mine (but that would have been nice!) but when he bets full pot I feel he takes away a lot of my options to basically going with it or folding. I Didn't feel TT is strong enough to play for stacks with the action I had faced, despite the kind flop, so I folded. 

I wondered if that was bad or not. 

hhyftrftdr

In Response to Re: Whats my best play and why?:

Awkward hand. You can either play it as a small pair to set mine or a big pair to get it in. Getting in 50BB with a pair of tens is borderline at best. So that can't be recommended. However, by calling, you're playing the hand as a set miner, BUT you're calling 210 of a 2.7K effective stack so there's only 13/1. The odds of hitting your set are about 8/1, but then you need the villain to have a hand before you get paid so it's generally considered that the effective stacks need to be about 25x the bet before set-mining becomes worthwhile. So by this logic neither calling nor raising to get it in are right. But TT really is too strong to fold here. I would've done the same as you - take a flop with a view to getting it in or folding. Shove over his bet - would he really have made a full pot bet on that flop with a pair of queens? I doubt it - it stinks of AQ/AJ. I'm sure though that many will disagree with me. I too find these spots difficult.
Posted by BigBluster

This would be bad. Get snapped by better and fold out worse/bluffs.

I think you have to peel one on the flop and see what villain does on the turn. Though with it being a sat, you could just fold pre despite it feeling very nitty. If we're not comfortable playing a high pair OOP in what is gonna be a bloated HU pot against a (perceived) strong range, then preserve those chips and treat 1010 as 22 and bin pre.

77Chris91

Why can't we fold pre to a 4x utg open in a sat?

If were not set mining pre I'm not sure why were folding to one bet on this flop?

   

CraigSG1

In Response to Re: Whats my best play and why?:

Why can't we fold pre to a 4x utg open in a sat? If were not set mining pre I'm not sure why were folding to one bet on this flop?    
Posted by 77Chris91

Thanks for all your answers, I'm still learning Sat play as never really played them. 

I wasnt obviously intending to fold to one bet but a pot bet put me on the spot. I didnt think I could peel and then be put in an even more difficult spot when I wasnt sure wehre I was. Its not bad to think ahead is it?

If he had bet a more standard 1/2 - 3/4 pot bet then im in a better position to call and reevaluate.

HENDRIK62

''If we're not comfortable playing a high pair OOP in what is gonna be a bloated HU pot against a (perceived) strong range, then preserve those chips and treat 1010 as 22 and bin pre.''

Hh

I think this is 100% important to think about, try and realise what your strengths and weaknesses are, as played I would have to see the turn which could end up costing me more chips than just the call, if the opponent barrels again on a blank turn what do you do? .......I have a hugely hard time believing and it does cost me so I try and avoid having these tough decisions

Cue everyone on my tables making bluffy shoves with the nuts ;-)

The raise pre and pot bet seem very odd to me and screams of someone not wanting called (see what I mean about not believing),without knowing the table dynamic and reads I put him on a strong Ace or an under pair, there are no obvious draws on the board (can't see 3,4 helping him)and surely he doesn't risk losing a customer if he has a set or an overpair.....but if he knows that I know that he knows that i know.....etc

In short I fold pre and look for a better spot.

satelites are about survival, sure we need to spin up, but its still a bit early for that.

Neil