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why do i lose every time with aa

fliddyfishfliddyfish Member Posts: 153
edited January 2015 in The Poker Clinic
for the 4th tournament in a row when I have gotten aa I have lost to a complete dross of a hand, still 70 left I have double the 2k start but have 5th highest stack at table im on button 2 flat calls comes to me I raise 4 times blind 400 and get 4 cllers flop is 468 all check up to me I bet 750 and big stack all ins I assume he has nothing maybe pr so I call y other 3k ish surprisingly sb calls too he has 99 big stack has 95 and my aa turn is 5 and 7 river quite the joke card ..
personally I think ive played it fine till I realise 4 out of tournies when I have gotten aa I have lost every time to the numpty guy calling with trash .. says it all when I now think see aa and fold the hand because randomness doesn't seem to count for me and aa. I LOSE EVERY TIME.

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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited January 2015
    In Response to why do i lose every time with aa:
    for the 4th tournament in a row when I have gotten aa I have lost to a complete dross of a hand, still 70 left I have double the 2k start but have 5th highest stack at table im on button 2 flat calls comes to me I raise 4 times blind 400 and get 4 cllers flop is 468 all check up to me I bet 750 and big stack all ins I assume he has nothing maybe pr so I call y other 3k ish surprisingly sb calls too he has 99 big stack has 95 and my aa turn is 5 and 7 river quite the joke card .. personally I think ive played it fine till I realise 4 out of tournies when I have gotten aa I have lost every time to the numpty guy calling with trash .. says it all when I now think see aa and fold the hand because randomness doesn't seem to count for me and aa. I LOSE EVERY TIME.
    Posted by fliddyfish
    NO YOU DON'T.
  • TalonTalon Member Posts: 1,621
    edited January 2015
    In Response to why do i lose every time with aa:
    for the 4th tournament in a row when I have gotten aa I have lost to a complete dross of a hand, still 70 left I have double the 2k start but have 5th highest stack at table im on button 2 flat calls comes to me I raise 4 times blind 400 and get 4 cllers flop is 468 all check up to me I bet 750 and big stack all ins I assume he has nothing maybe pr so I call y other 3k ish surprisingly sb calls too he has 99 big stack has 95 and my aa turn is 5 and 7 river quite the joke card .. personally I think ive played it fine till I realise 4 out of tournies when I have gotten aa I have lost every time to the numpty guy calling with trash .. says it all when I now think see aa and fold the hand because randomness doesn't seem to count for me and aa. I LOSE EVERY TIME.
    Posted by fliddyfish
     A superb post about perception and how it affects us.

    First bold area. 5th highest stack is the same as 2nd lowest 
    Second blod area nedds over this very small sample size added
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,551
    edited January 2015


    Hi fliddy.

    You DON'T lose every time with A-A, your selective memory just thinks you do.

    If you have Aces, & get called pre-flop by 9-9 & 7-5, over a 1,000 (or 100, or 10,000) sample size, you'll win around 70% of the time, & you'll soon be a very rich man.


    Personally, I'd not insult those players, I'd gleefully take the chance to win 7 times in 10. Let them have the glory for winning 3 in 10, it'll encourage them to keep getting it in bad.

    A- A v 9-9 - we are 81%

    A-A v 7-5 - we are 83% to win.

    A-A v 9-9 & 7-5 - we are 69% to win, assuming no suits.

    These are unbelievably good spots, embrace them all day & night, & let 7-5 & 9-9 win their 2 or 3 times in 10, whilst we scoop 7 or 8 times in 10. It don't get any better than that in poker, ever.

    We should have a happy face when they get it in bad, not sad face.
     
  • devonfish5devonfish5 Member Posts: 4,291
    edited January 2015
    I know how you feel fliddyfish... I once went aipf 7 times with AA KK or QQ & lost every hand not to mention £70 playing cash nl10.
    it's how poker can go especially on-line where we get these hands dealt more often.
    I now play poker 'outside the box' & find other ways to play these hands.
    getting 4 callers is a no no you need to be going in heads up with these hands or getting it aipf v 1 opponent....
    well that's 1 option anyway.
    they look great hands pre-flop & we get all excited when we see them, but it's all about the final 5 cards we end up with & 1 pair doesn't usually win.
    look for other ways to play them, even slow playing them & folding on 456 fl boards etc isanother option.
    I lost aipf with KK V AA in a dym the other day, but that will even out over time as I will get the AA V KK next time.









  • jordz16jordz16 Member Posts: 2,253
    edited January 2015
    In Response to why do i lose every time with aa:
    for the 4th tournament in a row when I have gotten aa I have lost to a complete dross of a hand, still 70 left I have double the 2k start but have 5th highest stack at table im on button 2 flat calls comes to me I raise 4 times blind 400 and get 4 cllers flop is 468 all check up to me I bet 750 and big stack all ins I assume he has nothing maybe pr so I call y other 3k ish surprisingly sb calls too he has 99 big stack has 95 and my aa turn is 5 and 7 river quite the joke card .. personally I think ive played it fine till I realise 4 out of tournies when I have gotten aa I have lost every time to the numpty guy calling with trash .. says it all when I now think see aa and fold the hand because randomness doesn't seem to count for me and aa. I LOSE EVERY TIME.
    Posted by fliddyfish


    2 flat calls and you and you are only raising 4 bbs with the sb/bb still to act? i think you need to be raising minimum of 6bbs (especially if its a lower stake game) so thats one mistake.....   if you had raised 6bbs and still got 4 callers (which is extremely unlikely) the pot should be big enough for you to commit your stack on any flop and you would then be making them decide if they want to call off an all in with just a draw... regardless of that, that is one of the worst flops for aces, especially against the normal limp call range which tends to be small pairs and suited connectors... when you got it in you were very lucky to be ahead..,  

    if i was you it would be best to concentrate on playing optimal poker and forget about the end results as there is nothing you can do to change that.
  • Daisy666Daisy666 Member Posts: 14
    edited January 2015
    The best thing in my very humble opinion to do with AA is never to slow play them unless the flop improves your hand, a large raise will usually do the trick, if anyone calls then all in...usually works.
    I often fold them because of gut feeling.
  • oufc1oufc1 Member Posts: 29
    edited January 2015
    In Response to why do i lose every time with aa:
    for the 4th tournament in a row when I have gotten aa I have lost to a complete dross of a hand, still 70 left I have double the 2k start but have 5th highest stack at table im on button 2 flat calls comes to me I raise 4 times blind 400 and get 4 cllers flop is 468 all check up to me I bet 750 and big stack all ins I assume he has nothing maybe pr so I call y other 3k ish surprisingly sb calls too he has 99 big stack has 95 and my aa turn is 5 and 7 river quite the joke card .. personally I think ive played it fine till I realise 4 out of tournies when I have gotten aa I have lost every time to the numpty guy calling with trash .. says it all when I now think see aa and fold the hand because randomness doesn't seem to count for me and aa. I LOSE EVERY TIME.
    Posted by fliddyfish
    Hi

    I agree with you and Tikay
    AA can win most of the time but also we just remember when we lose when having AA in our hand and sometimes it seems that we lose all the time with AA and its all ways the river card that beats us
    take the WSOP 2010 Matt Affleck AA v Duhamel JJ
    just for one I can remember
    and I bet if you search online you will find loads more (bad beats) like it

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DCxYuMPXhs
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