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Turbo Dym New hands?Bubble play?

belsibubbelsibub Member Posts: 2,527
edited December 2021 in Strategy
The kind of hand i always never know what to do.
What would you do pre & post?



Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance
crimsnking Small blind   15.00 15.00 955.00
chips101 Big blind   30.00 45.00 1225.00
  Your hole cards
  • J
  • J
     
brinna12 Fold        
belsibub Raise   90.00 135.00 910.00
d_Artagnan Call   90.00 225.00 700.00
huggi Fold        
crimsnking Call   75.00 300.00 880.00
chips101 Call   60.00 360.00 1165.00
Flop
   
  • Q
  • 8
  • A
     
crimsnking Check        
chips101 Check        
belsibub  
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    F_IvanovicF_Ivanovic Member Posts: 2,396
    edited February 2015
    Hope to get to show down.
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    stuarty117stuarty117 Member Posts: 1,395
    edited February 2015
    When i use to play alot of Turbo DYMs i found that min raising was better because you only start with 1000 chips.

    At least then we will save chips in the long run if we dont hit the flop.

    I would just check on hand above. As Mr F says try and get to showdown, keep as many chips as you can for a better spot. 

    On another point

    I would love to see the turbo start stack 2000 same levels as normal speed i would play these instead.
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    yuranASSetyuranASSet Member Posts: 485
    edited February 2015
    In Response to Re: Turbo Dym?:
    When i use to play alot of Turbo DYMs i found that min raising was better because you only start with 1000 chips. At least then we will save chips in the long run if we dont hit the flop. I would just check on hand above. As Mr F says try and get to showdown, keep as many chips as you can for a better spot.  On another point I would love to see the turbo start stack 2000 same levels as normal speed i would play these instead.
    Posted by stuarty117
    Like a semi turbo DYM?
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    belsibubbelsibub Member Posts: 2,527
    edited February 2015
    I'll extend it a bit.
    Just fold now?
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    crimsnking Small blind   15.00 15.00 955.00
    chips101 Big blind   30.00 45.00 1225.00
      Your hole cards
    • J
    • J
    		     
    brinna12 Fold        
    belsibub Raise   90.00 135.00 910.00
    d_Artagnan Call   90.00 225.00 700.00
    huggi Fold        
    crimsnking Call   75.00 300.00 880.00
    chips101 Call   60.00 360.00 1165.00
    Flop
       
    • Q
    • 8
    • A
    		     
    crimsnking Check        
    chips101 Check        
    belsibub Check        
    d_Artagnan Bet   60.00 420.00 640.00
    crimsnking Fold        
    chips101 Call   60.00 480.00 1105.00
    belsibub          
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    stuarty117stuarty117 Member Posts: 1,395
    edited February 2015
    In Response to Re: Turbo Dym?:
    In Response to Re: Turbo Dym? : Like a semi turbo DYM?
    Posted by yuranASSet

    Yea lol

    On other sites it would be perhaps closer to a hyper DYM

    just a bit more play than shove fold after 2 orbits


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    stuarty117stuarty117 Member Posts: 1,395
    edited February 2015
    In Response to Re: Turbo Dym?:
    I'll extend it a bit. Just fold now? Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance crimsnking Small blind   15.00 15.00 955.00 chips101 Big blind   30.00 45.00 1225.00   Your hole cards J J       brinna12 Fold         belsibub Raise   90.00 135.00 910.00 d_Artagnan Call   90.00 225.00 700.00 huggi Fold         crimsnking Call   75.00 300.00 880.00 chips101 Call   60.00 360.00 1165.00 Flop     Q 8 A       crimsnking Check         chips101 Check         belsibub Check         d_Artagnan Bet   60.00 420.00 640.00 crimsnking Fold         chips101 Call   60.00 480.00 1105.00 belsibub          
    Posted by belsibub
    Yea fold keep ur 900 chips for better spot.


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    yuranASSetyuranASSet Member Posts: 485
    edited February 2015
    In Response to Re: Turbo Dym?:
    In Response to Re: Turbo Dym? : Yea lol On other sites it would be perhaps closer to a hyper DYM just a bit more play than shove fold after 2 orbits
    Posted by stuarty117

    The thing is, there are certain strategies for certain games. If you think that your strategy is better suited to something else other than shove fold 2 orbits, then you should find those games. Or learn a concrete strategy for these type of games. Yer man Ivan might be best placed to teach you these things with him having dabbled in Turbo's & Hyper's but I think the key is aggression. Limp, 3bet pre could very well be a better play here.


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    stuarty117stuarty117 Member Posts: 1,395
    edited February 2015
    In Response to Re: Turbo Dym?:
    In Response to Re: Turbo Dym? : The thing is, there are certain strategies for certain games. If you think that your strategy is better suited to something else other than shove fold 2 orbits, then you should find those games. Or learn a concrete strategy for these type of games. Yer man Ivan might be best placed to teach you these things with him having dabbled in Turbo's & Hyper's but I think the key is aggression. Limp, 3bet pre could very well be a better play here.
    Posted by yuranASSet

    Yea agree thats why i play normal speed dyms just suit me better, bit more relaxed and can have a chat and stuff.



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    yuranASSetyuranASSet Member Posts: 485
    edited February 2015
    I'm looking to get into these games myself which is why I take a bit of interest. I mean, if there is a winning strategy to be had in Hyper-HUSNG's then why wouldn't we. The thing is, from what I've been reading, there is. I just need to learn it. :D
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    belsibubbelsibub Member Posts: 2,527
    edited February 2015
    Another struggle to know what to do.
    Feel this was a mistake with a shorty but got away with it.
    What would you do here.
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    nolady2 Small blind   100.00 100.00 540.00
    pet34 Big blind   200.00 300.00 2180.00
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • K
    		     
    belsibub Raise   400.00 700.00 880.00

    		Call   400.00 1100.00 1300.00
    nolady2 Fold        
    pet34 Fold        
    Flop
       
    • 2
    • J
    • 4
    		     
    belsibub Check        
      Check        
    Turn
       
    • 3
    		     
    belsibub Check        
      Check        
    River
       
    • 9
    		     
    belsibub Check        
      Check        
    belsibub Show
    • A
    • K
    		     
      Show
    • Q
    • Q
    		     
      Win Pair of Queens 1100.00   2400.00
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    hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited February 2015
    If you're gonna play it, has to be all in pre I'd have thought, but I don't play DYMs ;)

    Argument for folding with the shorty, though AK is almost always the best hand with just 4 players. Meh, probs just fold pre.
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    F_IvanovicF_Ivanovic Member Posts: 2,396
    edited February 2015
    min-r AK there def. the worst option although you were super lucky to save your chips there!! If all players were employing correct (or near enough) strategy then shoving pre with AK is clearly the best play. All it takes is for shorty to get a couple of steals through and his stack size will be level with yours. Being the 2nd shortest stack, it's a "them or me" spot for you. 

    Lets look through the scenarios:

    You ship, SB calls with anywhere between 15% and 25% of his hands. You have at least 60% equity and 60% chance to cash in the DYM there and then.
    You ship, everyone folds: You now have 1580 chips and are in great shape to cash. 
    You ship, someone else calls: Well, you'll likely be a 40% dog - but that's still 40% of the time and you're pretty much a lock to cash if you in. And the chance that someone calls where you'll be a 40% dog is very small (they need JJ+, AK to call)

    You fold, BTN folds, SB shoves and BB folds - SB now has 840. Next hand you are in BB with 1080 behind. UTG folds, shorty BTN with 840 shoves with a v wide range. You now have the same "them or me" spot as before but instead have to call it off with not as good equity. If we fold, shorty now has 1140 and we have 1080 - we're now short stack.
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    belsibubbelsibub Member Posts: 2,527
    edited February 2015
    Fold?
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    sharpy3027 Small blind   100.00 100.00 1995.00
    belsibub Big blind   200.00 300.00 1145.00
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • J
    		     
    seanyx Fold        
    disco45 Raise   600.00 900.00 265.00
    sharpy3027 Raise   900.00 1800.00 1095.00
    belsibub          
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    hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited February 2015
    Yes.
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    Matt237Matt237 Member Posts: 1,785
    edited February 2015
    One of the most simple laydowns ever with disco's stack. 
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    belsibubbelsibub Member Posts: 2,527
    edited February 2015
    Never know the best play with reasonable  stack & shorty.Snap calls or fold?
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    billy58 Small blind   100.00 100.00 675.00
    belsibub Big blind   200.00 300.00 2080.00
      Your hole cards
    • 9
    • 9
    		     
    paddie1985 All-in   1230.00 1530.00 0.00
    johnboy825 Fold        
    billy58 Fold        
    belsibub  
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    paddie1985 Small blind   150.00 150.00 1530.00
    johnboy825 Big blind   300.00 450.00 1415.00
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • 8
    		     
    billy58 All-in   675.00 1125.00 0.00
    belsibub          
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    Matt237Matt237 Member Posts: 1,785
    edited February 2015
    So in hand 1 Johnboy has 1715 and in hand 2 you have 1930.

    Snap folding the 99 in hand #1. 

    Hand #2 factors:

    - Is villain jamming correctly?
    - IF fold: Is villain in the BB likely to know he has to call with ATC?
    - IF call: Does villain know he has to call and check pot down, without betting into us?
    - IF call: Do villains behind us know they are not supposed to rejam?

    I think its very close on the surface but those simple factors will 100% come into play on bubble. Guessing the stake you are playing they aren't thinking like this so I probably find a fold (Other point being we have invested 0 chips). If the BB folds note him down as whatever you wish, I like to use a particular C word.
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    HENDRIK62HENDRIK62 Member Posts: 3,168
    edited February 2015
    In Response to Re: Turbo Dym New hands?Bubble play?:
    So in hand 1 Johnboy has 1715 and in hand 2 you have 1930. Snap folding the 99 in hand #1.  Hand #2 factors: - Is villain jamming correctly? - IF fold: Is villain in the BB likely to know he has to call with ATC? - IF call: Does villain know he has to call and check pot down, without betting into us? -  IF call: Do villains behind us know they are not supposed to rejam? I think its very close on the surface but those simple factors will 100% come into play on bubble. Guessing the stake you are playing they aren't thinking like this so I probably find a fold (Other point being we have invested 0 chips). If the BB folds note him down as whatever you wish, I like to use a particular C word.
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    lol
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    belsibubbelsibub Member Posts: 2,527
    edited February 2015
    Not bubble(5 handed) but another that i find tricky.
    My default here is to shove as the next hand will be 100/200 & not keen min raising 25% of my stack to fold a bad flop if called.
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    johnboy825 Small blind
    		75.00 75.00 820.00
    shaggy60 Big blind   150.00 225.00 1575.00
      Your hole cards
    • J
    • J
    		     
    billy58 Fold        
    belsibub          
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    Matt237Matt237 Member Posts: 1,785
    edited February 2015
    Cant see all stacks but if its 5 handed its more than likely a simple jam. 

    Only case for folding is if we have 800-1.2k and 2 players are less than 300, even then we should min raise and call them off.
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