Without being results orientated is this the right fold?!

mrdavies

rdavies	Small blind		£0.10	£0.10	£81.93
Daps66	Big blind		£0.20	£0.30	£34.27
	Your hole cards	K 10 10 9
shajicat11	Call		£0.20	£0.50	£14.80
XXbungleXX	Raise		£0.90	£1.40	£47.09
UTRBABY	Call		£0.90	£2.30	£20.47
John1400	Call		£0.90	£3.20	£53.93
mrdavies	Call		£0.80	£4.00	£81.13
Daps66	Call		£0.70	£4.70	£33.57
shajicat11	Call		£0.70	£5.40	£14.10
Flop
		9 6 10
mrdavies	Check
Daps66	Check
shajicat11	Check
XXbungleXX	Bet		£5.40	£10.80	£41.69
UTRBABY	Fold
John1400	Fold
mrdavies	Call		£5.40	£16.20	£75.73
Daps66	Raise		£27.00	£43.20	£6.57
shajicat11	Fold
XXbungleXX	Call		£21.60	£64.80	£20.09
mrdavies	Fold
Turn
		7
Daps66	All-in		£6.57	£71.37	£0.00
XXbungleXX	Call		£6.57	£77.94	£13.52
Daps66	Show	5 A K 6
XXbungleXX	Show	7 5 8 K
River
		2
XXbungleXX	Win	Straight to the 10	£76.14		£89.66

Itsover4u

It was 100% a fold on the flop.... with a raise and your flat followed by a pot his range is basically the nuts.

That gives your opponent around a 38% edge. not including the fact that you hold one of your full house outs.

As played once you call the flop bet you are commited so not much you can do after that

F_Ivanovic

Annoying spot... having the 9 blocking our FH outs is definitely an annoyance. Plus, it means if we do hit we're less likely to be paid off since it limits the possibility of anyone else having a FH.

However, I still would not consider folding to the initial flop bet for a number of reasons:

- Players behind can call which then gives us the correct value on our flop call. The more in the pot = the better value we have.

- The board is extremely draw heavy and non-static - there are a ton of turn cards that change the current nuts. Any 7/8/J/Q/K/board pair or spade will change the current nuts. This means that we have got a good chance of seeing a river card since any bare 78 is likely to slow down on a lot of them turns. It also means we have the possibility of turning our hand into a bluff which we can do with a good image and opponents that are capable of folding.

Once we call the initial flop bet and see a raise and call, I think we have the odds now to continue. Will work out in a bit, but for just the 3 way side pot we would need to put in £28 to win a pot of about £104 so we need 27% - with our hand, we pretty much have 33% against most ranges. 

bev60

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
bev60	Small blind		£0.25	£0.25	£73.91
HYPOTENUSE	Big blind		£0.50	£0.75	£131.25
	Your hole cards	5 K 10 5
bev60	Raise		£1.25	£2.00	£72.66
HYPOTENUSE	Raise		£4.00	£6.00	£127.25
bev60	Call		£3.00	£9.00	£69.66
Flop
		8 4 7
HYPOTENUSE	Check
bev60	Bet		£6.75	£15.75	£62.91
HYPOTENUSE	Call		£6.75	£22.50	£120.50
Turn
		6
HYPOTENUSE	Check
bev60	Bet		£22.50	£45.00	£40.41
HYPOTENUSE	Call		£22.50	£67.50	£98.00
River
		8
HYPOTENUSE	Bet		£67.50	£135.00	£30.50
bev60	All-in		£40.41	£175.41	£0.00
HYPOTENUSE	Unmatched bet		£27.09	£148.32	£57.59
bev60	Show	5 K 10 5
HYPOTENUSE	Show	J 10 2 A
bev60	Win	Two Pairs, 8s and 5s	£147.32		£147.32

weecheez1

Sorry bev but this seems like a fold preflop to me this play is way above my thinking did you really think you were ahead after the river or were you pot committed and was there history between you hope it doesn't sound cheeky just wondering :-)

bev60

Hi Weecheez, Sorry for taking a while to reply, I must have been in similar situations hundreds of times before and this is the first time i can remember calling so it was definitely an opponent specific thing. Main thing was every other time he had 3 bet/ checked flop he had either flopped the nuts or had a no pair/ bottom pair hand similar to this one and the way he played future streets ruled out flopped or turned straights a lot. I only felt pot committed in as much as the pot odds i was getting meant i only needed to have the best hand one out of every 3.5 times to show profit.

Sorry again taking a few days to reply, I only posted the hand because MrDavies accused me of being a calling station and it kind of went to my head a bit :-)

weecheez1

In Response to Re: Without being results orientated is this the right fold?!:

Hi Weecheez, Sorry for taking a while to reply, I must have been in similar situations hundreds of times before and this is the first time i can remember calling so it was definitely an opponent specific thing. Main thing was every other time he had 3 bet/ checked flop he had either flopped the nuts or had a no pair/ bottom pair hand similar to this one and the way he played future streets ruled out flopped or turned straights a lot. I only felt pot committed in as much as the pot odds i was getting meant i only needed to have the best hand one out of every 3.5 times to show profit. Sorry again taking a few days to reply, I only posted the hand because MrDavies accused me of being a calling station and it kind of went to my head a bit :-)
Posted by bev60

Lol its cool thanks for the answer love trying to work out how differant people act in situations like this gl on the tables

jamstawick

In Response to Re: Without being results orientated is this the right fold?!:

Hi Weecheez, Sorry for taking a while to reply, I must have been in similar situations hundreds of times before and this is the first time i can remember calling so it was definitely an opponent specific thing. Main thing was every other time he had 3 bet/ checked flop he had either flopped the nuts or had a no pair/ bottom pair hand similar to this one and the way he played future streets ruled out flopped or turned straights a lot. I only felt pot committed in as much as the pot odds i was getting meant i only needed to have the best hand one out of every 3.5 times to show profit. Sorry again taking a few days to reply, I only posted the hand because MrDavies accused me of being a calling station and it kind of went to my head a bit :-)
Posted by bev60

Pretty crzy hero call bev!

jamstawick

In Response to Without being results orientated is this the right fold?!:

rdavies Small blind   £0.10 £0.10 £81.93 Daps66 Big blind   £0.20 £0.30 £34.27   Your hole cards K 10 10 9       shajicat11 Call   £0.20 £0.50 £14.80 XXbungleXX Raise   £0.90 £1.40 £47.09 UTRBABY Call   £0.90 £2.30 £20.47 John1400 Call   £0.90 £3.20 £53.93 mrdavies Call   £0.80 £4.00 £81.13 Daps66 Call   £0.70 £4.70 £33.57 shajicat11 Call   £0.70 £5.40 £14.10 Flop     9 6 10       mrdavies Check         Daps66 Check         shajicat11 Check         XXbungleXX Bet   £5.40 £10.80 £41.69 UTRBABY Fold         John1400 Fold         mrdavies Call   £5.40 £16.20 £75.73 Daps66 Raise   £27.00 £43.20 £6.57 shajicat11 Fold         XXbungleXX Call   £21.60 £64.80 £20.09 mrdavies Fold         Turn     7       Daps66 All-in   £6.57 £71.37 £0.00 XXbungleXX Call   £6.57 £77.94 £13.52 Daps66 Show 5 A K 6       XXbungleXX Show 7 5 8 K       River     2       XXbungleXX Win Straight to the 10 £76.14   £89.66
Posted by mrdavies

I like your play here, the only time i would get the money in is if i had an 8 blocker or TTJ8\other hands like that.Well played