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Vegas final structure

jonjo75jonjo75 Member Posts: 999
edited April 2015 in Poker Chat
Why has a £350 Vegas final got a turbo structure?
Yes the blinds are 12 mins but there are loads of levels missing and its playing like a turbo.

This is the first 10 levels with a 5000 strating stack
LevelBlindsMinutes   120.00 / 40.0012230.00 / 60.0012340.00 / 80.0012450.00 / 100.0012575.00 / 150.00126100.00 / 200.00127125.00 / 250.00128150.00 / 300.0012-Late Registration Closes-9200.00 / 400.001210250.00 / 500.0012

To compare this is the structure of the £50 BH at 21.00

4000 starting stack

LevelBlindsMinutes   110.00 / 20.0012215.00 / 30.0012320.00 / 40.0012425.00 / 50.0012530.00 / 60.0012-Late Registration Closes-640.00 / 80.0012750.00 / 100.0012875.00 / 150.00129100.00 / 200.001210125.00 / 250.0012
I just dont understand why SKY have made it a turbo when there are only 40 players and its a pretty big tourney.
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  • jonjo75jonjo75 Member Posts: 999
    edited March 2015
    Just had a look and the £1100 is the same structure.
    Please SKY can you reconsider and use the 9pm £50 bh  or the Roller structure as both these tourneys give a decent amount of play.
  • IrishRoseIrishRose Member Posts: 1,663
    edited March 2015
    I'm on mobile at the moment so can't see lobby - what was the decision made on the excess money generated in the final?  Assuming 5 packages but is there any bubble cash?
  • jonjo75jonjo75 Member Posts: 999
    edited March 2015
    In Response to Re: Vegas final structure:
    I'm on mobile at the moment so can't see lobby - what was the decision made on the excess money generated in the final?  Assuming 5 packages but is there any bubble cash?
    Posted by IrishRose

    There was no excess Rose. There was 40 runners with 4 seats.
  • ajmiltonajmilton Member Posts: 1,458
    edited March 2015
    lobby only showing 4 prizes 4 packages paid ...that's it.

       edit**  lol beat me to it
  • GELDYGELDY Member Posts: 5,203
    edited March 2015
    now on the FT

    elvisg197246324.50  
    yupster6938627.50  
    Max_Bear37864.50  
    Wacko9037073.50  
    greyface30375  
    chilling9735
  • GELDYGELDY Member Posts: 5,203
    edited March 2015
    bubble lasted 1 minute, unlike 6th out which was nearer an hour
    vul greyface

    elvisg197273624.501Entry to £3.2k Vegas Event
    Wacko9068578.502Entry to £3.2k Vegas Event
    Max_Bear30569.503Entry to £3.2k Vegas Event
    yupster6927227.504Entry to £3.2k Vegas Event
    greyface05

  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited March 2015


    Starting stack after 2 hours is 10xbb. 


    Most turbos with this field size would be over inside 2 hours. 


  • TTayseerTTayseer Member Posts: 26
    edited March 2015
    The £17 qualifier last night seemed to have a much better structure than the £350 final on Saturday. Surely that can't make sense.
  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited March 2015
    Personally, I am happy with the faster structures for the finals as it suits my game. 

    But I also do not see the logic in some of the lesser value satelites and mtts being a "better" slower structure. I agree that this should be reviewed and whatever is decided I will adapt my game and try to bink a seat regardless.

    Good luck all!




  • jonjo75jonjo75 Member Posts: 999
    edited March 2015
    Surely for the £1100 final in May SKY should put a better structure on.
    Can someone from SKY explain why they have decided to use this structure and where did they get it from because  I can not think of another tourney on SKY with it.
    Of course some people prefer the faster structure but I just think for a vegas final it should have a little more play and it being faster than some of the sats into it is just weird.
    If there is some good reason for it being faster than normal then thats fine but I can't think of one.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 174,391
    edited March 2015

    Hi Guys,

    I would have thought the various comments about "better" & "worse" structure are subjective.

    It would also be pretty controversial at this stage to change an element of something which has been known about for some time now.
     
    I'll send it upstairs for comment, as it is clearly troubling many of you, & I DO understand your point, & why you are making it. It really is "subjective" though.




  • jonjo75jonjo75 Member Posts: 999
    edited March 2015
    In Response to Re: Vegas final structure:
    Hi Guys, I would have thought the various comments about "better" & "worse" structure are subjective. It would also be pretty controversial at this stage to change an element of something which has been known about for some time now.   I'll send it upstairs for comment, as it is clearly troubling many of you, & I DO understand your point, & why you are making it. It really is "subjective" though.
    Posted by Tikay10
    Thanks Tikay I understand it is subjective but for some reason you just expect a higher buy in tourney to be slower.
    The ukops main event has a £110 buy in with a 10000 starting stack ,after 2 hrs the blinds are 125/250.
    The vegas final is a £1100 buy in and has a 5000 starting stack, after 2hrs the blinds are 250/500.
    If thats just how it is then thats how it is but I'm just not sure of the logic behind it.
  • bearlytherbearlyther Member Posts: 1,757
    edited March 2015
    Everyone had the chance to see the structure before they played it if they didnt like the structure they shouldnt have played it.  I cant see anything wrong with the current structure it looks fine. Hate the idea of making it longer maybe if the site had antes some more levels could be added.  Without antes no thanks keep it as it is most people dont want to be playing till 4 in the morning.  
  • jonjo75jonjo75 Member Posts: 999
    edited March 2015
    In Response to Re: Vegas final structure:
    Everyone had the chance to see the structure before they played it if they didnt like the structure they shouldnt have played it.  I cant see anything wrong with the current structure it looks fine. Hate the idea of making it longer maybe if the site had antes some more levels could be added.  Without antes no thanks keep it as it is most people dont want to be playing till 4 in the morning.  
    Posted by bearlyther

    How may times has the £55 BH that starts at 9pm gone on to 4am?
    I was just suprised that it was much faster than the other bigger tourneys on the site and was asking why.
    I think most regs on SKY think the 9pm £55 BH is one of the best tourneys on the site structure wise and I cant see the problem with using something similar to this.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 174,391
    edited March 2015


    And there we have the conundrum - two very talented players, posting 2 minutes apart, have views which are polar opposites.

    I exactly get the point of the question, (though I have zero say in these matters), & I exactly get Conor's view, too.
     
    Anyway, I've sent it Upstairs for comment now. 

    They'll be running out of patience with me at this rate, I do tend to ask them a lot of questions, so I need to ensure I don't wear out my welcome with them, such as it is. ;)

    Anyway, let's wait & see what they say. I'll be quite surprised if they change it if it has been "advertised" as that since Day One - that produces complications.   
     
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 174,391
    edited March 2015


    Quick PS here.

    By the nature of things, & in my experience.....

    When we DISAGREE with something, we complain. As several have, here.

    When we AGREE with something, we say nothing.

    So the views expressed may be a bit lopsided & MAY not express a fair cross section of opinion.
  • MattBatesMattBates Member Posts: 4,118
    edited March 2015
    In Response to Re: Vegas final structure:
    In Response to Re: Vegas final structure : How may times has the £55 BH that starts at 9pm gone on to 4am? I was just suprised that it was much faster than the other bigger tourneys on the site and was asking why. I think most regs on SKY think the 9pm £55 BH is one of the best tourneys on the site structure wise and I cant see the problem with using something similar to this.
    Posted by jonjo75
    You cant compare a normal MTT to a sat. Sats will always end up with people with a small number of BB. Its the nature of them. In a normal MTT we want all the chips, in a sat we are happy with 1 chip when it ends. We need a sensible structure but we must appreciate when looking at the structure that its a sat and there is no antes on the site.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 174,391
    edited March 2015

    Tom Thumb makes a fair point, too - this is not an MTT that plays down to one - it stops at 5 players, or whatever.
  • GELDYGELDY Member Posts: 5,203
    edited March 2015
    It feels natural to me to have a faster structure in a sat than a regular tournament. I'm very happy with a faster structure for the vegas sats, even the final, than for the 9pm BH, which is a delightful, but slow tournament. 

    But then I'll be getting it all in with my KK vs flopped quads regardless. 
  • jonjo75jonjo75 Member Posts: 999
    edited March 2015
    In Response to Re: Vegas final structure:
    In Response to Re: Vegas final structure : You cant compare a normal MTT to a sat. Sats will always end up with people with a small number of BB. Its the nature of them. In a normal MTT we want all the chips, in a sat we are happy with 1 chip when it ends. We need a sensible structure but we must appreciate when looking at the structure that its a sat and there is no antes on the site.
    Posted by MattBates
    Yeah thats a fair point. I must admit I wasn't thinking about it that way but still I have played many sats which seem to have much more play in them.
    I agree we need a sensible structure and obviously I dont think whats there now is sensible but I'm sure I will get over it.
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