In Response to Re: Forum DTD changes : If you read my comment, you said that we were all suffering because of two people. I said that this is not entirely true. There have been incidents before & no punishment has been handed out to all players. This is different because one player broke the protocol & posted it on this Forum & several other player waded in here & elsewhere. If he had just reported it through the proper channels and everyone had let SKY take the appropriate action then this wouldn't have happened. That player & those who then waded in on it are the ones that have damaged DTD. Maybe SKY will relent and allow the community to continue given time. Posted by Ice_Tiger
Steve, never had a crossed word with you and I think looking in, yr helpful and seem like a sensible bloke.
I tried to stay clear of the "incident" debate since it happened, as I feel justice was served and no need to dwell.
The reason I was so vocal on the subject was due to the fact 1 of the 2 parties were still active in the community and 1 was banned, I saw the evidence and I saw the admission... so OFC I wanted equal measures. Do I believe it was a one off? yes maybe, do I think it was because he hated the person he did it against? 100%... which makes it clear this isn't anything to do with us all.
Yet by writing posts like this you look like you are backing yr capo who admitted cheating, yet blaming the people who took a stance... what he did was wrong, and now we all lose out because of this... but it's our fault yeah?! just sigh
In Response to Re: Forum DTD changes : Probably pointless us discussing it, as we are poles apart in our opinions. However, trying to claim that people who did nothing wrong are partially to blame for damaging DTD is beyond absurd. DTD was damaged by 2 people, and 2 people only, and they are now both banned from the site. But I think the Monday night community is more than strong enough to show that DTD can still prosper despite everything, and I hope Sky reconsider their prize stance in due course. Posted by hhyftrftdr
You may try to distance yourself from responsibility but if the incident had been reported through the proper channels and people like yourself had kept your nose out of it then this wouldn't have happened.
You can choose to think what you will if that keeps your conscience clear.
In Response to Re: Forum DTD changes : Steve, never had a crossed word with you and I think looking in yr helpful and seem like a sensible bloke. I tried to stay clear of the "incident" debate since it happened, as I feel justice was served and no need to dwell. The reason I was so vocal on the subject was due to the fact 1 of the 2 parties were still active in the community and 1 was banned, I saw the evidence and I saw the admission... so OFC I wanted equal measures. Do I believe it was a one off? yes maybe, do I think it was because he hated the person he did it against? 100%... which makes it clear this isn't anything to do with us all. Yet by writing posts like this you look like you are backing yr capo who admitted cheating, yet blaming the people who took a stance... what he did was wrong, and now we all lose out because of this... but it's our fault yeah?! just sigh Posted by samantha25
Nothing to do with the incident & that shouldn't be discussed.
I believe that it is the fact that people waded in & didn't let SKY deal with matters in private that has caused this blow to DTD. There have been several people banned before but it was done privately & no-one else had to suffer. This time, some people took to thei keyboards to air their views in public, which is against SKY rules (hence, why I will not air mine on that matter). I believe that it is largely down to you & others who couldn't give SKY the time they needed that we have all had to suffer, particularly all the people who have given their time freely & tirelessly for many years.
In Response to Re: Forum DTD changes : You may try to distance yourself from responsibility but if the incident had been reported through the proper channels and people like yourself had kept your nose out of it then this wouldn't have happened. You can choose to think what you will if that keeps your conscience clear. Posted by Ice_Tiger
It was, and 1 was banned the other remained active... so DH says, it was reported 6 weeks prior so why it took so long is beyond me. Unless it was a case of bury it in the sand Personally I think if not for the social media show DH would still be playing the site, so yes... I for one am happy I spoke up. Or are you saying just cos you detest someone it's ok and we should all just sit back and accept that?
The initial act was carried out by 2 individuals but would that alone have resulted in this? Very unlikely imo.
This is not down to 1 act of collusion that took place in a team game, it's down to the total circus that ensued all over the internet afterwards. Whether you agree with the way it was dealt with on various other sites/forums or not, that's another matter, but I think it's pretty clear that it's this part that has caused this change
In Response to Re: Forum DTD changes : You may try to distance yourself from responsibility but if the incident had been reported through the proper channels and people like yourself had kept your nose out of it then this wouldn't have happened. You can choose to think what you will if that keeps your conscience clear. Posted by Ice_Tiger
My conscience is very clear, thanks.
I think if someone colluded against you, then tried to implicate you in the affair, you'd be pretty peeved no? So no sympathy from me whatsoever. Indeed, and as you say, if he'd gone through the proper channels initially then the outcome might have been much different. But he didn't, choosing instead to try and lie himself out of the hole he had dug.
And for the record, I did mostly keep out of it. Plenty of times I could've joined in but abstained. The 'If....' thread was particularly hard to keep out of, with people incorrectly saying the allegations were ''baseless'' and ''unfounded''.
The only people responsible for 2 people being banned for collusion, are the 2 people involved in said collusion. I'm amazed you are trying to deflect blame from the culprits.
I'm gonna (try!) not say anything else on the matter, as it's going over old ground and I think it's time we all moved on.
I hope Sky look at the prizes thing in due course, but myself and others will continue to support Michael's great competition weekly, and I thank the people involved who make it happen every Monday.
In Response to Re: Forum DTD changes : Nothing to do with the incident & that shouldn't be discussed. I believe that it is the fact that people waded in & didn't let SKY deal with matters in private that has caused this blow to DTD. There have been several people banned before but it was done privately & no-one else had to suffer. This time, some people took to thei keyboards to air their views in public, which is against SKY rules (hence, why I will not air mine on that matter). I believe that it is largely down to you & others who couldn't give SKY the time they needed that we have all had to suffer, particularly all the people who have given their time freely & tirelessly for many years. Posted by Ice_Tiger
Thank you for blaming me for ruining DTD for everyone, have you blamed DH at all? oh no, it wouldn't be his fault would it.
Sorry people that I thought it was wrong, to not only collude v someone, then lie that it was a set up.
+1 to Steve The initial act was carried out by 2 individuals but would that alone have resulted in this? Very unlikely imo. This is not down to 1 act of collusion that took place in a team game, it's down to the total circus that ensued all over the internet afterwards. Whether you agree with the way it was dealt with on various other sites/forums or not, that's another matter, but I think it's pretty clear that it's this part that has caused this change Posted by Lambert180
There was a circus Paul because DH was sending stupid PM's to anyone that would listen accusing hhf and outlaws of having a 4yr grudge v him, when everyone knows we've not even been together a year. If DH had just said yes i did it end of (he did on sky but retracted) then none of this would have happened. Meh carry on blaming us tho if you like.
In Response to Re: Forum DTD changes : My conscience is very clear, thanks. I think if someone colluded against you, then tried to implicate you in the affair, you'd be pretty peeved no? So no sympathy from me whatsoever. Indeed, and as you say, if he'd gone through the proper channels initially then the outcome might have been much different. But he didn't, choosing instead to try and lie himself out of the hole he had dug. And for the record, I did mostly keep out of it. Plenty of times I could've joined in but abstained. The 'If....' thread was particularly hard to keep out of, with people incorrectly saying the allegations were ''baseless'' and ''unfounded''. The only people responsible for 2 people being banned for collusion, are the 2 people involved in said collusion. I'm amazed you are trying to deflect blame from the culprits. Posted by hhyftrftdr
You are correct.
It appears that your conscience is clear. I suspect that others might have more of a moral compass and will accept their role in the result. While you were not the worst culprit, all those who involved themselves in discussing this on the Forum come out of this with little credit.
You might need to be careful what you post because I have seen people forum banned for saying less.
If you want to discuss it, I will be at MK.
Not trying to get at anyone but maybe if you looked at previous incidents & understood the history, you might take a slightly different view.
Tikay is trying to steer a diplomatic course in tricky circumstances and we should stand back & hope that he can reinstate the individual prizes in due course. I trust that this month's prizes will be awarded as agreed, although will not be anywhere close to winning any.
+1 to Steve The initial act was carried out by 2 individuals but would that alone have resulted in this? Very unlikely imo. This is not down to 1 act of collusion that took place in a team game, it's down to the total circus that ensued all over the internet afterwards. Whether you agree with the way it was dealt with on various other sites/forums or not, that's another matter, but I think it's pretty clear that it's this part that has caused this change Posted by Lambert180
I'm gonna (try!) not say anything else on the matter, as it's going over old ground and I think it's time we all moved on. I hope Sky look at the prizes thing in due course, but myself and others will continue to support Michael's great competition weekly, and I thank the people involved who make it happen every Monday. Posted by hhyftrftdr
In Response to Re: Forum DTD changes : There was a circus Paul because DH was sending stupid PM's to anyone that would listen accusing hhf and outlaws of having a 4yr grudge v him, when everyone knows we've not even been together a year. If DH had just said yes i did it end of (he did on sky but retracted) then none of this would have happened. Meh carry on blaming us tho if you like. Posted by samantha25
No-one is disputing the wrongs that were done (or at least I'm not anyway), maybe it was a lie details were sent to Sky, who knows, none of that matters really.
The fact is, all the info could have been collated and sent to sky, same result happens for the two involved and DTD goes on as normal OR it could be plastered all over multiple social media/poker forum sites for weeks, get the same result for the two as the first method except it also induces Sky to do stuff like this.
The 2 people are to blame for getting themselves banned, the complete farce that happened afterwards, blame probably lies (for the most part) elsewhere.
I cba posting on this thread anymore and as Dagg said it's only gonna go downhill and get closed, but that is my view.
In Response to Re: Forum DTD changes : No-one is disputing the wrongs that were done (or at least I'm not anyway), maybe it was a lie details were sent to Sky, who knows, none of that matters really. The fact is, all the info could have been collated and sent to sky, same result happens for the two involved and DTD goes on as normal OR it could be plastered all over multiple social media/poker forum sites for weeks, get the same result for the two as the first method except it also induces Sky to do stuff like this. The 2 people are to blame for getting themselves banned, the complete farce that happened afterwards, blame probably lies (for the most part) elsewhere. I cba posting on this thread anymore and as Dagg said it's only gonna go downhill and get closed, but that is my view. Posted by Lambert180
In Response to Re: Forum DTD changes : No-one is disputing the wrongs that were done (or at least I'm not anyway), maybe it was a lie details were sent to Sky, who knows, none of that matters really. The fact is, all the info could have been collated and sent to sky, same result happens for the two involved and DTD goes on as normal OR it could be plastered all over multiple social media/poker forum sites for weeks, get the same result for the two as the first method except it also induces Sky to do stuff like this. The 2 people are to blame for getting themselves banned, the complete farce that happened afterwards, blame probably lies (for the most part) elsewhere. I cba posting on this thread anymore and as Dagg said it's only gonna go downhill and get closed, but that is my view. Posted by Lambert180
ok I give up, all I will say is if the info SKY had was enough to ban HP, why did DH not get banned at the same time? it was a joint offence... which is why people were having their 2p worth.
anyway I'll leave it, just don't like being blamed... don't think I have said a word on the subject since he was banned, on any social media site as it wasn't about being smug, just a fair outcome.
In Response to Re: Forum DTD changes : Probably pointless us discussing it, as we are poles apart in our opinions. However, trying to claim that people who did nothing wrong are partially to blame for damaging DTD is beyond absurd. DTD was damaged by 2 people, and 2 people only, and they are now both banned from the site. But I think the Monday night community is more than strong enough to show that DTD can still prosper despite everything, and I hope Sky reconsider their prize stance in due course. Posted by hhyftrftdr
You do know that there have been more then one incident reported to Sky this year about alledged cheating in the DTD? Maybe Sky thought that enough is enough? Blaming everything on two people is totally incorrect.
IMHO I don't think this will make any real differance to the numbers playing the DTD. How many people play this because of the prizes on offer???? I'm guessing not too many. Most people play it because it's a great nights poker with great banter on the tables. Nothing has changed in that department apart from it has just got even cheaper! Winner winner chicken dinner as the youth of today are saying so I've been told
I've seen a handful of threads over the past 18 months relating to collusion on the Sky forum and none of them have thrown such anger at the players who have highlighted any misdemeanour.
Players have been banned and promo payments ceased as a result of the subsequent Sky investigation, the person that highlighted the issue was told they probably shouldn't have aired it in public (naturally, no gaming sites wants potential customers to think they are anything other than 100% legit and safe) - but widely slapped on the back by the community and told well done for uncovering said misdemeanour and helping keep the site 100% legit for the rest of the community.
I still can't get my head around why that isn't the case this time and the anger seems to be wholly directed at anyone that raised a flag that something untoward had occurred.
That said, it's a crazy world and I am a naive numpty that gets very easily confused
Anyway, hope we get a good turnout for DTD this Monday. Even if there can't be a workaround for the prizes, who doesn't love a chance to brag that they won / lasted longest in their team / have a bit of banter at the table with mates, which can often be missing in the usual grind!
In Response to Re: Forum DTD changes : It was looked at Rob, but on balance, it was decided against on that occasion. It's nice to win it, but I would guess it is hard to find evidence that it generated any, or many, additional players. Posted by Tikay10
I only missed 1 event in the last UKOPs but this time missed quite a few of them that I would have played had there been that added incentive!
I could be wrong, but I think this is the first case where the evidence of collusion was supplied by one of the culprits. It was evidence used to blackmail the other party despite the fact this would implicate himself. This player was then laughing and joking about it in on the sky tables before he was banned. Like I say, it's a strange case.
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You can choose to think what you will if that keeps your conscience clear.
I think if someone colluded against you, then tried to implicate you in the affair, you'd be pretty peeved no? So no sympathy from me whatsoever. Indeed, and as you say, if he'd gone through the proper channels initially then the outcome might have been much different. But he didn't, choosing instead to try and lie himself out of the hole he had dug.
And for the record, I did mostly keep out of it. Plenty of times I could've joined in but abstained. The 'If....' thread was particularly hard to keep out of, with people incorrectly saying the allegations were ''baseless'' and ''unfounded''.
The only people responsible for 2 people being banned for collusion, are the 2 people involved in said collusion. I'm amazed you are trying to deflect blame from the culprits.
I hope Sky look at the prizes thing in due course, but myself and others will continue to support Michael's great competition weekly, and I thank the people involved who make it happen every Monday.
Please keep on topic
You might need to be careful what you post because I have seen people forum banned for saying less.
If you want to discuss it, I will be at MK.
Not trying to get at anyone but maybe if you looked at previous incidents & understood the history, you might take a slightly different view.
Tikay is trying to steer a diplomatic course in tricky circumstances and we should stand back & hope that he can reinstate the individual prizes in due course. I trust that this month's prizes will be awarded as agreed, although will not be anywhere close to winning any.
The 2 people are to blame for getting themselves banned, the complete farce that happened afterwards, blame probably lies (for the most part) elsewhere.