I wonder if having a mixed game prize over say 3 medium buy in events may have merit, something like turbo tuesday main as the NHLE element (quick and affordable), an £11 plo (Wednesday) and an £11 plo8 (Thursday or Saturday) maybe a fairly fast structure, with prizes perhaps for the top 3 scorers (maybe a £55 seat, £33 seat and an £11 seat).
Might encourage some NLHE mtt players to get involved.
3 words PLO BOUNTY HUNTER I would definitely be game for that. Quick structure, £11BI for now and £1k GTD? Posted by F_Ivanovic
My first thought as well. They may be a marmite format, but they are Sky's strong suit for NLHE so why not extend that to other formats.
£2.30, £5.50, £11 one of each every day at set times with maybe £22 (or higher) at weekends.
I think guarantees would help, although appreciate Sky would have to start low to test the water and consider increasing after that. I know fingers were burned with the UKOPS guarantee but a daily buy-in guarantee needn't be so challenging to meet (in my extremely humble opinion).
Would the occasional PLO be an option for the Tuesday live show or is a) too niche still and b) technically not possible still?
On one hand you need decent guarantees to attract the Holdem crowd and on the other if the guarantees don't get met then it could fail before its off the ground.
Also just to muddy the water,, if the buy-ins are too big then you will alienate the very people who make PLO8 such a success.
I've played loads of PLO8/NLO8 on other sites over a number of years and I'd love to see it become more popular here.
Personally I often can't be bothered playing the two £5.50 PLO8 tourneys of an evening, even if I'm playing at the time, due to the low number of entrants and poor prizepools. I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Some suggestions:
Flagship PLO8 tournament once a week. If this can be combined with a Main/Mini format then even better. Doesn't need a huge guarantee but I think something like £22/£800 should be manageable.
More NLO8. Is there even any of this on Sky at the moment? Might be successful in attracting some Holdem players to try games they wouldn't normally play. I think NLO8 BH would be good - you only need to look at the numbers the PKO NLO8 get on Stars in comparison to their other O8 tournaments to see that it's much more popular.
Some tournaments with buyins of £11+ at primetime. Doesn't need to be every day but a couple of times a week.
At least one O8 tournament in future series.
Satellites. Having bigger buy ins won't necessarily alienate the people who play at low stakes if there are satellites to play in them. If you have a healthy numbers of players at the micro level it doesn't mean that there can't be room to develop at higher stakes. Some may be happy just playing £1.10/£2.20s but others will be looking to move up in stakes.
I've played loads of PLO8/NLO8 on other sites over a number of years and I'd love to see it become more popular here. Personally I often can't be bothered playing the two £5.50 PLO8 tourneys of an evening, even if I'm playing at the time, due to the low number of entrants and poor prizepools. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Some suggestions: Flagship PLO8 tournament once a week. If this can be combined with a Main/Mini format then even better. Doesn't need a huge guarantee but I think something like £22/£800 should be manageable. More NLO8. Is there even any of this on Sky at the moment? Might be successful in attracting some Holdem players to try games they wouldn't normally play. I think NLO8 BH would be good - you only need to look at the numbers the PKO NLO8 get on Stars in comparison to their other O8 tournaments to see that it's much more popular. Some tournaments with buyins of £11+ at primetime. Doesn't need to be every day but a couple of times a week. At least one O8 tournament in future series. Satellites. Having bigger buy ins won't necessarily alienate the people who play at low stakes if there are satellites to play in them. If you have a healthy numbers of players at the micro level it doesn't mean that there can't be room to develop at higher stakes. Some may be happy just playing £1.10/£2.20s but others will be looking to move up in stakes. Posted by Ranners
I agree with the need for satellites, I am one of the players who is quite happy playing low stakes, but as with NLH, I like to satellite into the bigger tournaments to test my skills against the big boys.
Hi, not got much to add in terms of buy in, structure etc apart from being a NLHE so called mtt grinder type ; ) , im just learning PLO8 at micro stakes and would for sure support tourneys im able to play although wouldn't be willing to spent too much, say £11 max atm but that's just me, im sure more competent players would obv pay more and would this attract PLO8 players from far and wide? if so then maybe, like suggested, a flagship event once a week, this could also be something for people like me who are just learning the game to aspire to.
Structure wise agree with both sides above, don't like shallow structure, 2k just not enough play, but equally wouldn't want it too deep.
Funnily enough Ivan whilst playing a £3.30 PLO8 tourney yesterday I was thinking wouldn't this be more fun if it was a bounty hunter, but I straight away dismissed the idea as the 2 sets of styles/players seem at polar opposites or is that an incorrect preconception of mine? be interesting to hear others thoughts on this as it would definitely attract NLHE players as they are just so popular.
PLO BH would be immense fun, I remember playing the £2.30 ones years ago.... do they still run?
Problem was there was not many runners (giant crushed em for this reason), maybe a hike in BI would get a few more of the PLO fans interested, as not many of the higher stakes cash gang would bother for a meagre prize pool.
firstly, the PLO 5.5 and PL08 5.5 nightly are short tournaments. one person has already commented that he cant be bothered to play 2 x 5.5 with small prize pools. I don't see why. a 100% win rate is the same regardless of the total prize pool. if you increase the guarantees, whose going to turn up?
personally, giving the PL08 crowd more of what they want cant be bad, if they know? knowone wants to play more PL08 on thurs eve, I asked that question the other day and got one reply and they didn't want any more games (on thurs eve)
add a few more PL08 games around the sunday league 3.3 could be a good idea as they're already players coming for that.
a monthly flagship PLO/PL08 tourney would be good. I don't see want the point with the BH format would be. plys go after each other anyway, they don't need encouraging (do you really want to be flipping every 10 hands or so?)
NL08 and NL08 BH formats are ridiculous, edges are less, flips more often=more losing to the rake, which is the primary reason knowone plays PLO/PL08 SNGs />£11, the skill difference is less than the rake (unless TK is playing!).
I like the idea that small sattelites (not AIPF ones) could lead to a flagship event, and the league winners of say 2.2-5.5 weekly Ts could win entry.
i'll add my 2 cents. firstly, the PLO 5.5 and PL08 5.5 nightly are short tournaments. one person has already commented that he cant be bothered to play 2 x 5.5 with small prize pools. I don't see why. a 100% win rate is the same regardless of the total prize pool. if you increase the guarantees, whose going to turn up? personally, giving the PL08 crowd more of what they want cant be bad, if they know? knowone wants to play more PL08 on thurs eve, I asked that question the other day and got one reply and they didn't want any more games (on thurs eve) add a few more PL08 games around the sunday league 3.3 could be a good idea as they're already players coming for that. a monthly flagship PLO/PL08 tourney would be good. I don't see want the point with the BH format would be. plys go after each other anyway, they don't need encouraging (do you really want to be flipping every 10 hands or so?) NL08 and NL08 BH formats are ridiculous, edges are less, flips more often=more losing to the rake, which is the primary reason knowone plays PLO/PL08 SNGs />£11, the skill difference is less than the rake (unless TK is playing!). I like the idea that small sattelites (not AIPF ones) could lead to a flagship event, and the league winners of say 2.2-5.5 weekly Ts could win entry. Posted by suzy666
5 day boring traditional county matches where nobody goes to watch, or one day, or 20-20 matches where lots of people go and watch.
plo low stakes, deep stack, slow structure is like the former where the players have probably prepared their egg sandwiches in tin foil and have their tartan blanket over their knees ready for 40 winks. whereas the latter is the new breed, who turn up after work still in a suit for a glass of wine and a prawn sandwich, dancing to the music accompanying every six whilst others splash around in a paddling pool.
do traditional plo players want these new people? probably not.
this is very much like cricket. 4 day gripping traditional county matches where nobody goes to watch, but doh is hooked to the BBC online commentry to see if YCCC fade the follow on v Warwks or one day, or 20-20 matches where lots of people go and watch. Posted by aussie09
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agree though, don't take an action game like PLO and make it a boring nut pedal snoozeathon.
this is very much like cricket. 5 day boring traditional county matches where nobody goes to watch, or one day, or 20-20 matches where lots of people go and watch. plo low stakes, deep stack, slow structure is like the former where the players have probably prepared their egg sandwiches in tin foil and have their tartan blanket over their knees ready for 40 winks. whereas the latter is the new breed, who turn up after work still in a suit for a glass of wine and a prawn sandwich, dancing to the music accompanying every six whilst others splash around in a paddling pool. do traditional plo players want these new people? probably not. Posted by aussie09
If your trying to entice 2 card players then entice with just PLO and BH. Also don't make em go on for more than 3 hours. 1 rebuy 1addon but no longer than 4 hours Not going to entice anyone with 5-6 hours of PLO8 Posted by rancid
'Not going to entice anyone with 5-6 hours of PLO8' fair point! however with the thurs eve and sun league, maybe with a bigger Tournament, plys would come from other sites to play, esp for added value free seats.
Is there any point at all getting sky NLHM plys playing PLO, don't sky want new customers? sorry but ' 1 rebuy, 1addon but no longer than 4 hours', Is that possible? ( ca 1500 chips, 10 min blinds, 20 players only)
I do agree that a low stakes PLO BH would get NL plys trying something new
i'll add my 2 cents. firstly, the PLO 5.5 and PL08 5.5 nightly are short tournaments. one person has already commented that he cant be bothered to play 2 x 5.5 with small prize pools. I don't see why. a 100% win rate is the same regardless of the total prize pool. Posted by suzy666
The reason is that I'd rather play a different tournament with more players, which necessarily means Holdem. If the PLO8 tournaments had more players (or a higher buy-in) I'd drop a Holdem tournament. I'm sure I'm not the only player who feels that way and who doesn't want to spend a few hours trying to win £30. I could win it a couple of times a week but still get less than a decent FT in another tourney.
I entirely disagree with you about NLO8 BH. Very popular elsewhere as I've said and really there is no reason to be flipping as often as you say. It's a different game than PLO8 but it doesn't mean the skill difference is less.
I think giving the PLO8 community here more of what they want won't help grow the game beyond the current levels. This is only my opinion, but I'm not interested in PLO8 DYMs or in playing small stakes leagues but would play, as often as I could, some tourneys with buyins of £11+.
Getting more players involved means creating tournaments that appeal to current (Holdem) tournament players.
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£2.30, £5.50, £11 one of each every day at set times with maybe £22 (or higher) at weekends.
I think guarantees would help, although appreciate Sky would have to start low to test the water and consider increasing after that. I know fingers were burned with the UKOPS guarantee but a daily buy-in guarantee needn't be so challenging to meet (in my extremely humble opinion).
Would the occasional PLO be an option for the Tuesday live show or is a) too niche still and b) technically not possible still?
On one hand you need decent guarantees to attract the Holdem crowd and on the other if the guarantees don't get met then it could fail before its off the ground.
Also just to muddy the water,, if the buy-ins are too big then you will alienate the very people who make PLO8 such a success.
I agree with the need for satellites, I am one of the players who is quite happy playing low stakes, but as with NLH, I like to satellite into the bigger tournaments to test my skills against the big boys.
Structure wise agree with both sides above, don't like shallow structure, 2k just not enough play, but equally wouldn't want it too deep.
Funnily enough Ivan whilst playing a £3.30 PLO8 tourney yesterday I was thinking wouldn't this be more fun if it was a bounty hunter, but I straight away dismissed the idea as the 2 sets of styles/players seem at polar opposites or is that an incorrect preconception of mine? be interesting to hear others thoughts on this as it would definitely attract NLHE players as they are just so popular.
firstly, the PLO 5.5 and PL08 5.5 nightly are short tournaments.
one person has already commented that he cant be bothered to play 2 x 5.5 with small prize pools. I don't see why. a 100% win rate is the same regardless of the total prize pool.
if you increase the guarantees, whose going to turn up?
personally, giving the PL08 crowd more of what they want cant be bad, if they know?
knowone wants to play more PL08 on thurs eve, I asked that question the other day and got one reply and they didn't want any more games (on thurs eve)
add a few more PL08 games around the sunday league 3.3 could be a good idea as they're already players coming for that.
a monthly flagship PLO/PL08 tourney would be good. I don't see want the point with the BH format would be. plys go after each other anyway, they don't need encouraging (do you really want to be flipping every 10 hands or so?)
NL08 and NL08 BH formats are ridiculous, edges are less, flips more often=more losing to the rake, which is the primary reason knowone plays PLO/PL08 SNGs />£11, the skill difference is less than the rake (unless TK is playing!).
I like the idea that small sattelites (not AIPF ones) could lead to a flagship event, and the league winners of say 2.2-5.5 weekly Ts could win entry.
this is very much like cricket.
5 day boring traditional county matches where nobody goes to watch, or one day, or 20-20 matches where lots of people go and watch.
plo low stakes, deep stack, slow structure is like the former where the players have probably prepared their egg sandwiches in tin foil and have their tartan blanket over their knees ready for 40 winks. whereas the latter is the new breed, who turn up after work still in a suit for a glass of wine and a prawn sandwich, dancing to the music accompanying every six whilst others splash around in a paddling pool.
do traditional plo players want these new people? probably not.
i have been watching you for hours.
i thought it was babestation. but with moobs and speedos.
however with the thurs eve and sun league, maybe with a bigger Tournament, plys would come from other sites to play, esp for added value free seats.
Is there any point at all getting sky NLHM plys playing PLO, don't sky want new customers?
sorry but ' 1 rebuy, 1addon but no longer than 4 hours', Is that possible? ( ca 1500 chips, 10 min blinds, 20 players only)
I do agree that a low stakes PLO BH would get NL plys trying something new