trips with weak kiker villian himself shown his two recent bluffs when they've suceeded

craigcu12

extremely loose player, on two of his recently played hands he'd attempted a bluff which he then reveals when the rest fold, a few hands later, I myself limped 55 which went on to hit a set on flop, he does a min bet then called the flop AQ5ss, the turn gives 10s everyone checks then on the river card 6d it's checked round again.

Before he makes the river bet, the timer was allowed to go down, so he's either thinking about events leading up to this hand.

Twaper1234	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£13.55
craigcu12	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£20.63
	Your hole cards	7 10
kernow28	Fold
Clyde420	Fold
pixie69	Raise		£0.35	£0.50	£8.80
x	Call		£0.35	£0.85	£37.03
Twaper1234	Call		£0.30	£1.15	£13.25
craigcu12	Call		£0.25	£1.40	£20.38
Flop
		10 9 10
Twaper1234	Check
craigcu12	Check
pixie69	Check
x	Bet		£1.40	£2.80	£35.63
Twaper1234	Fold
craigcu12	Call		£1.40	£4.20	£18.98
pixie69	Fold
Turn
		3
craigcu12	Check
x	Bet		£4.20	£8.40	£31.43
craigcu12	Call		£4.20	£12.60	£14.78
River
		5
craigcu12	Check
x	Bet		£12.60	£25.20	£18.83
craigcu12	?

GELDY

you are known to be creative

shove and pray 

CraigSG1

Im calling - he has pot bet twice which is a weird line to do with trips/FH and looks like he wants folds more than wants you to call so I think its a high chance hes bluffing. 

It is possible he got lucky and housed up hence his dwell but that is unlikely.

jordz16

From what you have said its a clear just call.

mumsie

Call or shove , though calling should earn you more.

This player Raises with Junk and Cbets missed flops and turns most orbits, most days, most seasons.

Nuggy962

But...... Would he fire 3 times? J10 for ul 

Matt237

X the player out.

Readless I think its quite close

Lambert180

I hope this is posted to query whether we shove or call and not whether we call or fold.

Given your notes we should not be considering folding imo, it's just whether we can ship or not. I think I just about lean towards flatting.

craigcu12

the fact he's done it 3 streets in a row and the one he does on the river being a pot size bet instead of a jam was the bit that makes it all the more questionable, if/when i do call it'll be certainly just a flat call because his call will more than likely be trips only 102, 104, 106 are still behind.

F_Ivanovic

wp, now call. Not sure how this can be between a call and a ship? I mean is villain potting 3 streets then calling anything worse than Tx? His line is surely either a bluff or Tx or better?

Lambert180

Well being torn between call or ship >>>>>>>>> being torn between call and fold imo. I assume the post was because of the former.

Craig's notes make villian sounds vvv bad, villian's sizing in the hand makes him look vvv bad. Calling (minimum) is a must imo, but if he's as bad as we think then his range is SO wide that we're gonna be beat vv rarely, and sure there are some bluffs in there that obv can't call a raise, but we also almost freeroll the chance to make him 'think ahh F*c* it, I have to call with my A9/K9/88 now' or w/e. Obv villian shouldn't be bombing these hands but we already know villian is bad by the sounds of it. People make mistakes, especially bad players.

I prob do slightly lean towards a call but don't think a jam could be faulted if villian is like Craig's describing.

shakinaces

Realistically, how many villains do you ever see at micro cash that 3-barrel bluff?

With pot sized bet on each street.

In what started as a 4-way pot.

I'd be amazed to call down here and win the pot.  We're essentially gambling on him doing this with air, right?  Only possible 'value' hand that he could be over-valuing would be JJ, maybe QQ... but much more likely any Tx, maybe 99.

If we are calling the river bet, then we may as well jam surely?  We'd only have £2.18 left behind so villain is 99% certain to call this with almost ATC given the pot size... if we believe we are ahead enough to call £12.60 we may as well go for max value.  With more behind, yeah, just call.

Lambert180

Wtf, thought we had like £10+ behind after a call. I obv can't read, in that case its an easy jam imo

F_Ivanovic

ha same thought we still had £10 left. I dunno about craig's notes - they don't give away too much other than he likes to bluff and is loose pre-flop but not that he over-values hands or pots every single time whether he's bluffing or value betting. In that pot Craig tooks about on AQ5 that went multi-way, he doesn't mention villain potting every street or anything crazy? Generally even aggressive players are a bit tighter in MW pots and less prone to bluff.

And as shakin said it's rare that you see someone potting 3 streets as a bluff at these stakes. It would be nice to know if we had any reads on what he's shown up with before when hes been potting.

Since there's £2 left then ofc we may as well ship but I wouldn't be surprised to be beat here.

mumsie

My note on villian

MP rse Kh6h,,cbets missed flop and turn, bets river slightly smaller

calls raise oop with QTo / raises with ATC  junk

craigcu12

on the two occassion i'd seen him attempt to make a bluff, first hand he'd min raised then called pre, on flop 976 he and myself do a check, turn came 3 again we both check, then river comes 5 he leads out about 1/2 (£1.28) of pot(£2.55), the second hand he did it with was one which having raised pre, he ch the flop KJ3cc, then bet 10p on the turn6cc which having seen others fold he turned Ad9h, so as mumsie says he doesn't bet as large.

craigcu12

I apolagise for showing his name in the hand to begin with.
sorry.

GELDY

In Response to Re: trips with weak kiker villian himself shown his two recent bluffs when they've suceeded:

Wtf, thought we had like £10+ behind after a call. I obv can't read, in that case its an easy jam imo
Posted by Lambert180

phew

i was surprised with the amount of discussion re call or jam

shakinaces

Out of interest, how did the hand play out?

craigcu12

Twaper1234	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£13.55
craigcu12	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£20.63
	Your hole cards	7 10
kernow28	Fold
Clyde420	Fold
pixie69	Raise		£0.35	£0.50	£8.80
x	Call		£0.35	£0.85	£37.03
Twaper1234	Call		£0.30	£1.15	£13.25
craigcu12	Call		£0.25	£1.40	£20.38
Flop
		10 9 10
Twaper1234	Check
craigcu12	Check
pixie69	Check
x	Bet		£1.40	£2.80	£35.63
Twaper1234	Fold
craigcu12	Call		£1.40	£4.20	£18.98
pixie69	Fold
Turn
		3
craigcu12	Check
x	Bet		£4.20	£8.40	£31.43
craigcu12	Call		£4.20	£12.60	£14.78
River
		5
craigcu12	Check
x	Bet		£12.60	£25.20	£18.83
craigcu12	Call		£12.60	£37.80	£2.18
x	Show	10 8
craigcu12	Muck	7 10
x	Win	Three 10s	£36.40		£55.23

rancid

I would say call

U got no bluffs