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In for a penny

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  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited January 2016
    Well a downswing was inevitable. 0/3.

    Made a terrible mistake for one loss and variance hit back with KK<A4 and QT < J9.

    The mistake was really bad - so much so that it stopped me playing as can't be focussed to make this bad a mistake.

    Shaming myself to try and learn from it. With AK in a dym it's generally shove at those blinds. Given the stack sizes taking on the big stack for a flip with a shorty left (245 chips) is madness. My "plan" at the time was to see a flop cheaply and then try and double up or get out of the way.. Unfortunately I hit the flop and big stack smashed the flop. Maybe a cooler post flop but really needn't be in the hand at all and especially just calling.

    Clear fold. Arggghhhh.

    Hand History #986982971 (13:34 05/01/2016)

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    Phantom66 Small blind   75.00 75.00 570.00
    BB
    Big blind   150.00 225.00 1610.00
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • K
         
    smallstack
    Fold        
    bigstack
    Call   150.00 375.00 3200.00
    Phantom66 Call   75.00 450.00 495.00
    BB
    Check        
    Flop
       
    • 10
    • K
    • 2
         
    Phantom66 Bet   225.00 675.00 270.00
    BB
    Fold        
    bigstack
    Call   225.00 900.00 2975.00
    Turn
       
    • 8
         
    Phantom66 All-in   270.00 1170.00 0.00
    bigstack
    Call   270.00 1440.00 2705.00
    Phantom66 Show
    • A
    • K
         
    bigstack
    Show
    • 2
    • 2
         
    River
       
    • J
         
    bigstack
    Win Three 2s 1440.00   4145.00
  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited January 2016
    Last night was a date night - one new years resolution being kept at least.

    To help we have compared the insurance market to get the 2 for 1 cinema ticket offer and I bought an odeon gift card as a joint present. So what did we watch last night? Actually we didn't younger son took a mate to see Daddy's home.

    Instead we went to the Blue Cross Sale at Debenhams #sigh. However we did have nice meal afterwards.

    The dyms continued this morning.

    There were a few reggy names on the tables and run good was nowhere to be seen. I now have 2 things in common with Chris Moorman.

    1. I have been invited to play in the 220 at 220 (did I mention I won it)
    2. I hate KK

    Been aipf and lost with it several times in a row - Ax always catching the A, or raggy aces or suited aces hitting straights and flushes. Finally gii v an underpair and lambert flops quad 10s. #sigh.

    Still I am detaching myself from short term results - on the whole I played the session well but the regs were not making silly mistakes and the games seemed pretty -EV, runbad turned them into a potential disaster. I then made the good decision to drop to £2/£3's before going bust.

    Curious to see Lambert on a 2.25 turbo dym table, correctly guessed that he was grinding points so made a joke of it in chat.

    B/R recovered a little. Will keep the games smaller for the rest of the week as I will coast 500pts and may still go for 1000 if I get the time.
  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited January 2016
    Oh dear.

    I think I may have thought of my new diary title.

    "In for a Penny". 

    Not Jac35 wife envy (although I am sure she is wonderful)

    It is the exact total of my current bankroll and I haven't withdrawn.

    It looks like I will be getting £5.06 on monday to add to that, and I will be able to enter the rewards FRs which I could certainly do with picking something up from this week.

    I will be trying to grind up from £5.07 using micro stakes SNGs and MTT FRs for the rest of January.

    If I succeed happy days. If not I'll deposit on 1st February.

    I will give an honest account of my downfall - just not now.






  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited January 2016
    OK so had a bit of time to cool off and lick my wounds.

    Most of my downfall is about BRM (again) a sprinkling of tilt when on a bad run but I am also facing up to the fact that I am a losing player with leaks at DYMs.

    Had an offline offer of help from RLT, someone who has been flying through the levels and shows what can be achieved with some hard work, discipline and volume.

    I will be attempting to fix those leaks, however to start with it makes sense if building from a low bankroll to stick what I am good at.

    RLT kindly gave me a breakdown of my SNG results.

    NLH 6max p600 +£184
    NLH dym   p855 -£91.20
    PLO8 dym p463  -£2

    Disappointed with the minus figure at PLO8. Although essentially breakeven which with rewards is profit. I suspect the minus is mainly down to a few shots at £5 and £11 which have skewed the overall P/L,

    Confirms what I have felt (backed up by own periodic results keeping) that I am much better at 6 max than dyms. Or maybe the fields are much easier?

    In general terms I am quite aggressive which is a plus in 6max generally but a hinderance in dyms until you get the bubble and even then it needs to be selective. Basically I bust too early too often in nlhe dyms where there is much risk but no guaranteed reward for busting/doubling up.

    PLO8 at least means that "pulling the trigger" in early levels does not commit your entire stack.

    So I will play the 10 and 12 freerolls today and wait for my bonus deposit.

    When that comes I will play 55p 6max until I have £20 in the roll and will switch to £1.05/

    I will also start playing PLO8 again from a roll of £20 as I do wish to complete the 1000 challenge.

    I need to play 2x60p PLO dyms to complete Macacgirls triathalon.

    I have entered the charity league HU cup so I will deposit enough to play that and keep that roll separate to my challenge roll.
  • alex1229alex1229 Member Posts: 680
    edited January 2016
    DYMs is a pure battle of survival, it's great to get a double up at the start but that by no means guarantees you to win - 80% of the play happens when it's 4/5 handed and the blinds are big (100/200-200/400) it's essential you're active and accumulating chips. You never want to get to short otherwise you lose all fold equity of your shoves. Some people play these like a MTT and take uncessary risks and the start, just be patient, keep your chips and play your big hands strong. 
  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited January 2016
    Thanks for posting Alex.

    I do of course know the general principle, I just grapple with implementing it and being patient enough in the early stages.

    I certainly don't aim to fold everything until the bubble either and I like to think I have a decent understanding of fold/shove ranges on the bubble.

    Sticking to the lower raked and favoured 6max format for now.

    L1 W1 55p 6max so far.








  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited January 2016
    Day 1 complete.

    penny roll boosted to £5.07, and then...

    P5 6max winning one and 2 2nds for a profit.

    Won 26p in the PLO FR and £1 in the Rewards FR - started to run golden from a shortstack after the bubble but was not to be closing in on the £2 payout and TT < KJ.

    Overall then Challenge has gone from 1p to £7.63.
  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited January 2016
    Sky Vegas a cautionary tale and a thumbs up for customer care.

    I have previously advocated Sky Vegas "no lose" weekends. A couple of people have pulled me up on the tables about that having lost by not stopping at the lose limit.

    After the latest one, I was checking back on the site as I had seen it was "no lose" month so the implication was there would be other days. There was not another one on, however I was greeted with an "exclusive offer. Deposit £20 and play with £10.

    I proceeded to get ahead, thought I would stop while ahead but found the playing restrictions were far greater than I thought. It seemed that the £20 deposit and the £10 bonus were both classed as bonus money with play restrictions. There was also a x20 wagering restriction - i.e. £600 needed to be wagered before any withdrawals could be made. I did, took me a while. I lost, the £10, the £20 and a little bit more besides.

    A couple of polite email exchanges later and I received a call today and I was credited my £20 deposit as a goodwill gesture.

    So the moral of the story is always read the T's and C's, then reread them and think about what they mean, before signing up for any offers.

    So, for full disclosure my B/R is actually now £27.63.

    I was going to deposit some to play in the TLB Cup which I don't need to now - I'll treat my "challenge" roll as £7.63 though.
  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited January 2016

    Well 1 week gone and not bust yet.

    Started with a penny which quickly became £5.07 from the previous week's reward.

    Played 29 SNGs Staked £21.05 and managed to break exactly even.

    Luckily those "rubbish Sky Freerolls" came to the rescue.

    P3 Rewards FR min cashed each for £3 and won 26p in a Omaha FR.

    So Challenge roll = £8.33

    Site roll a bit higher, I P5 W2 of my HU league cup fixtures and cashed out the Sky Vegas credit less the £1.25 loss so my actual roll became my challenge roll. Until the weekend when there was another no lose offer on and I booked a £3 win having deposited £10.

    Site roll at the end of week 1 was £21.33. Took me ages to find the bug in my spreadsheet and get that to balance.

    50 pts earned so I get the FR entries again.

  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited January 2016
    Ok. So when I retitled this diary In for a Penny, I suppose I may just have had in mind a rags to riches epic tale of grinding a huge roll from patience, persistence and excellent BRM. 

    A kind of GaryQQQ type thing only via SNGs.

    I seem to have blown that ideal in just a week.

    Firstly by contaminating my B/R with a new deposit and SkyVegas winnings and yesterday by hitting the spinups. Well it is double points and I had an extra £13 in the roll to play with - can't hurt can it?

    Ok well it can, obviously. In this instance I won, about 90p in one session and a tenner in another.

    B/R is now £30.36.

    Discounting the £10 deposit I have turned a penny into £20.36. 

    I will try and keep growing the roll sensibly, at least it is a bit of a roll now, I just won't pretend I have any kind of moral high ground when it comes to how I achieve a decent roll, if indeed I ever do.

    This is me playing poker, enjoying myself, and holding out some hope of earning enough to do something nice as a result.

    Back later, I have a draw to prepare. 
  • Jac35Jac35 Member Posts: 6,492
    edited January 2016
    Not Bromley please
    Suffering two defeats in a week to him would be unbearable 
  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited January 2016
    I managed to win a sports bet this weekend.

    It was quite a sweat too. The first part of the bet came in after about 6 mins whereas the 2nd was in the 94th.

    My son told about this bet a while back. I told him he was a mug punter for doing it, something he lost little time reminding me of when I told him I had won on it.

    The bet was both teams to hit the woodwork @9-1. The match west ham v man city. Any thoughts on whether this is good bet in the long run?

    Lost 10.50 in the no lose weekend. Will get a tenner back tomorrow. There will be a x1 play restriction. First time out of 4 I have participated in a no lose promotion and not booked a win.

    Poker roll doing ok due to cash. Trying to get 100pts but that will depend on having time to hit another 22 pts tonight.

    I'll do an overall balance update tomorrow.
  • SnufferSnuffer Member Posts: 3,057
    edited January 2016
    Regarding your no lose weekend bonus, it says you have to play through it once but I've never had too.
  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited January 2016
    In Response to Re: In for a penny:
    Regarding your no lose weekend bonus, it says you have to play through it once but I've never had too.
    Posted by Snuffer

    Thsnks. I think it will be a case of having to wager it on the site before it can be withdrawn but will be easy enough to check once credited.
  • SnufferSnuffer Member Posts: 3,057
    edited January 2016
    Yeah I thought that at first but it went into withdrawable funds on my account.
    If you want a free poker token check out sky casino promo, ends at midnight and won't cost you a penny ;)
  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited January 2016
    In Response to Re: In for a penny:
    Yeah I thought that at first but it went into withdrawable funds on my account. If you want a free poker token check out sky casino promo, ends at midnight and won't cost you a penny ;)
    Posted by Snuffer
    Cheers. I like those kind of promos - type 6 characters - simples.
  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited January 2016
    B/R update.

    Now £58.74

    The Sky Vegas "No Lose" refund came through. It shows up on the normal account so can be used anywhere on the site, You do have to wager it before withrawing it. I'll keep kidding myself that if I play poker with it it's more EV than sky vegas.

    Had £4.80 worth of tokens thanks to the code and 100+ points - bricked them in a plo8 £5.50 dym. 

    Bricked all 3 Freerolls tonight but can't complain about the value on offer in them. 




  • weecheez1weecheez1 Member Posts: 1,686
    edited January 2016
    In Response to Re: In for a penny:
    B/R update. Now £58.74 The Sky Vegas "No Lose" refund came through. It shows up on the normal account so can be used anywhere on the site, You do have to wager it before withrawing it. I'll keep kidding myself that if I play poker with it it's more EV than sky vegas. Had £4.80 worth of tokens thanks to the code and 100+ points - bricked them in a plo8 £5.50 dym.  Bricked all 3 Freerolls tonight but can't complain about the value on offer in them. 
    Posted by Phantom66
    lol ditto
  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited January 2016
    Freerolls ran a bit better tonight.

    £1 in the Rewards and £8 in the 966milly one. 

    P2 W2 PLO8 dyms.

    Felt sorry for Tikay - Did a Macacgirl style spite repot from the BB after Tikays pot on the bubble which gave the short stack a free pass. So I suppose I am not too sorry about that really. However it was poor play from me really I had a strong but not top of the range hand and so should have folded even with AA56 with 3 spades, expecting Tikays range to be what it was an A with balanced hi and lo options.

    Genuinely sorry for sidetracking him in chat though- He gets plenty of genuine grief for non-genuine reasons on the forum all day. My intention, both in my other forum post and in the chatbox was to help the tech team track what causes hand glitches.


  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited January 2016
    Curious times on a spinup table this morning.

    My hate affair with KK continues. x3 raise utg 4 handed. SB calls.

    T high rainbow raggy flop.

    SB checks I0, I c-bet, SB shoves, I call.

    SB shows 52 and hits a gutshot. I say nothing - the way I feel about KK at the moment I had a jimmi riddle style premonition that a 3 was on its way.

    Bit later on we are all-in pre. I have AQ they have KQ. They turn a straight, I river the higher straight. They get a bit ansy in the chatbox.

    I still say nothing. I want to educate this player to the joys of variance, that calling oop with 52 is probably not a good idea especially in a short stack game and neither is shoving on someone who has shown strength and is pot committed with a gutshot draw. I want to say forget the river, what odds do you think you had when we were both all-in preflop when you had KQ?

    A bit later SB gets chuntery v BB when his AK loses to QT. You were only 60/40 mate get over it I want to say, but I keep quiet.


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