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how can this keep happening!

churchy18churchy18 Member Posts: 1,850
edited July 2015 in Brags, Beats and Variance
Why does this keep happening pre iam 40%v32% for the scoop 55%v44% for the high 31%v22% for lo then on flop iam 47%v42% for the scoop 57%v42 for the high 12%v12% for lo then on turn i jump too 52%v30% for the scoop 70%v30% for the high  but then of course the miracle river comes.... every step of the way i am in front yet lose...what can i do???

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
RichiegoneSmall blind 150.00150.002490.00
CormachBig blind 300.00450.004797.50
 Your hole cards
  • 5
  • A
  • 6
  • 7
   
smoki3Fold    
churchy18Raise 1050.001500.001775.00
EnutFold    
0000000Call 1050.002550.003445.00
RichiegoneFold    
CormachFold    
Flop
  
  • 10
  • 5
  • 9
   
churchy18All-in 1775.004325.000.00
oooooooCall 1775.006100.001670.00
churchy18Show
  • 5
  • A
  • 6
  • 7
   
oooooooShow
  • J
  • K
  • 2
  • 4
   
Turn
  
  • 6
   
River
  
  • 3
   
oooooooWin highStraight to the 63050.00 4720.00
oooooooWin low6-low3050.00 7770.00
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited June 2015
    It happens because it's poker and it can happen?
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  • churchy18churchy18 Member Posts: 1,850
    edited June 2015
    In Response to Re: how can this keep happening!:
    It happens because it's poker and it can happen?
    Posted by hhyftrftdr
    I know it can happen but its happening way too often.

    Some advice would be good by the way!
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  • raggy94raggy94 Member Posts: 158
    edited June 2015
    You know the turn equity is completely meaningless? Considering what he called flop bet with(and what you shoved with?) kind of looks like the flop equity is not all that meaningful either(are you check folding any flop? Is he not calling any flop?) 

    Looking at how equities change after the money goes in only really serves the purpose of exaggerating in your mind how lucky or unlucky you got.

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  • churchy18churchy18 Member Posts: 1,850
    edited June 2015
    Understand what u are meaning but i have got it in v a weaker hand and improved on the flop thenput an all in bet and been called by air!

    Its not like i have not tried too put the opponent out the hand he has called an all in on the turn with virtually nothing and hits 

    Should i just limp every hand?

    2nd hand yeah i should have just gave up on EDIT:flop

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  • raggy94raggy94 Member Posts: 158
    edited June 2015
    Advice -  If you're focusing your energy on analysing a hand to improve how you play in the future, don't waste any of it on things you can't control.  

    When you opened the hand what percentage of flops was you going all in on? 

    Was you calling a three bet?

    If you're going with the hand regardless of anything is it a strong enough hand to do it with?

    Did you need to raise so much preflop so as to be quite so committed? If your opponent is defending this hand to this size and stacking off on this flop could there be a case for raising smaller and leaving more room to be able to check/ fold some flops. If you do flop well seems likely you won't lose out on much value for the pot being smaller? 

    You'll probably need some one with more experience of PLO8 (was it a DYM or tourney?) to help you with the technical side of things, i think these are the sort of questions you'd be better off asking though.
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  • raggy94raggy94 Member Posts: 158
    edited June 2015
    ^cross posted btw and i can't actually see the last two hands, was just talking about the first one.
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited June 2015
    In Response to Re: how can this keep happening!:
    In Response to Re: how can this keep happening! : I know it can happen but its happening way too often. Some advice would be good by the way!
    Posted by churchy18
    I don't play the 4card game, but surely lingering on stuff like this cant be good?

    Probably the only advice I could give!

    And it's in the wrong place if you really wanted advice ;)
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  • churchy18churchy18 Member Posts: 1,850
    edited June 2015
    Thank you raggy..

    1st hand was more a case of blind stealing knowing the bb would not call without somthing.and then after the flop v villain had him as willing too chase any hand with any 4 so felt i was still ahead and thought i would get the fold.

    2nd hand i have overplayed the aces but v the oponent put him on pretty much same hand as me minus an ace so felt was ahead and as the odds proved i was right but i agree that maybe look at what i could/should have done different..

    Both in mtts.

    And thank you again raggy think i need too just take a break and look at how i play and what i can do and not blame others for my own errors/faults

    PS not sure why 2nd hand came like that ..

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  • churchy18churchy18 Member Posts: 1,850
    edited June 2015
    In Response to Re: how can this keep happening!:
    In Response to Re: how can this keep happening! : I don't play the 4card game, but surely lingering on stuff like this cant be good? Probably the only advice I could give! And it's in the wrong place if you really wanted advice ;)
    Posted by hhyftrftdr

    Sigh have too agree with you harry will be heading there soon i think!

    Easier just too moan sometimes rather than ask for help when u don,t expect too get any.



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  • raggy94raggy94 Member Posts: 158
    edited June 2015
    In Response to Re: how can this keep happening!:
    Thank you raggy.. 1st hand was more a case of blind stealing knowing the bb would not call without somthing.and then after the flop v villain had him as willing too chase any hand with any 4 so felt i was still ahead and thought i would get the fold. 2nd hand i have overplayed the aces but v the oponent put him on pretty much same hand as me minus an ace so felt was ahead and as the odds proved i was right but i agree that maybe look at what i could/should have done different.. Both in mtts. And thank you again raggy think i need too just take a break and look at how i play and what i can do and not blame others for my own errors/faults PS not sure why 2nd hand came like that ..
    Posted by churchy18
    Surely these two things contradict each other?
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  • raggy94raggy94 Member Posts: 158
    edited June 2015
    I mean if you think you have the best hand (or the right equity with the pot odds), fair enough putting your money in. If you have him as willing to chase any draw with any four though it sounds like flawed thinking to at the same time be expecting many folds.
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  • HENDRIK62HENDRIK62 Member Posts: 3,202
    edited June 2015
    how about this one Brian......how to get quartered in style :-)

    History #919734096 (15:28 21/06/2015)
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    HENDRIK62 Small blind  50.00 50.00 1742.49
    bigbob57 Big blind  100.00 150.00 2808.73
      Your hole cards
    • 5
    • A
    • 2
    • A
    		     
     Call  100.00 250.00 2147.49
    ASIF711 Fold     
    patmac1947 Fold     
    HENDRIK62 Raise  350.00 600.00 1392.49
    bigbob57 Fold     
     Call  300.00 900.00 1847.49
    Flop
       
    • 4
    • 3
    • 5
    		     
    HENDRIK62 Check     
     Bet  900.00 1800.00 947.49
    HENDRIK62 All-in  1392.49 3192.49 0.00
     Call  492.49 3684.98 455.00
    HENDRIK62 Show
    • 5
    • A
    • 2
    • A
    		   
     Show
    • 4
    • A
    • 4
    • 3
    		   
    Turn
       
    • 2
    		     
    River
       
    • 10
    		     
     Win high Straight Flush to the 5 1842.50  2297.50
    HENDRIK62 Win low 5-low 921.24  921.24
     Win low 5-low 921.24  3218.74
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  • churchy18churchy18 Member Posts: 1,850
    edited June 2015
    so it continues here i am 53%v17% for the scoop and 63%v 35% for the hi 35%v9% for the lo and still lose both... this has been going on since december its getting boring just seems that no matter how or what i play im losing
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    johnneil Small blind   50.00 50.00 1895.00
    Dragonbabe Big blind   100.00 150.00 2050.00
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • Q
    • A
    • 6
    		     
    speedy16 Call   100.00 250.00 2287.50
    churchy18 Raise   450.00 700.00 1315.00
    KERNINHO Fold        
    Smithy29 Fold        
    johnneil Fold        
    Dragonbabe Fold        
    speedy16 Call   350.00 1050.00 1937.50
    Flop
       
    • 8
    • 7
    • 10
    		     
    speedy16 Check        
    churchy18 Bet   1050.00 2100.00 265.00
    speedy16 Call   1050.00 3150.00 887.50
    Turn
       
    • 6
    		     
    speedy16 Check        
    churchy18 All-in   265.00 3415.00 0.00
    speedy16 Call   265.00 3680.00 622.50
    speedy16 Show
    • Q
    • K
    • 5
    • 6
    		     
    churchy18 Show
    • A
    • Q
    • A
    • 6
    		     
    River
       
    • K
    		     
    speedy16 Win high Two Pairs, Kings and 6s 3680.00   4302.50
      No qualifying low hand        
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  • churchy18churchy18 Member Posts: 1,850
    edited December 2016

    and then this 48%v16% 64%35%for the hi and 32%v16 for the lo and yip lose it again.
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    bugalus1 Small blind   75.00 75.00 2190.00
    tcorleone2 Big blind   150.00 225.00 1140.00
      Your hole cards
    • 4
    • J
    • A
    • A
    		     
    gonkie Fold        
    churchy18 Call   150.00 375.00 1745.00
    winshoes Fold        
    Delph02 Fold        
    bugalus1 Fold        
    tcorleone2 Check        
    Flop
       
    • K
    • 3
    • 8
    		     
    tcorleone2 Bet   300.00 675.00 840.00
    churchy18 Raise   1275.00 1950.00 470.00
    tcorleone2 All-in   840.00 2790.00 0.00
    churchy18 Unmatched bet   135.00 2655.00 605.00
    tcorleone2 Show
    • 4
    • 6
    • K
    • 8
    		     
    churchy18 Show
    • 4
    • J
    • A
    • A
    		     
    Turn
       
    • Q
    		     
    River
       
    • 9
    		     
    tcorleone2 Win high Two Pairs, Kings and 8s 2655.00   2655.00
      No qualifying low hand  
    this 1 i get quartered with 42%v14% scoop 72%v27% for the hi and the lo i have 0% v19% but get a share of the lo





    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    ginn07 Small blind   25.00 25.00 4110.00
    Tanya22 Big blind   50.00 75.00 2157.50
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • 2
    • J
    • A
    		     
    tarraiai Call   50.00 125.00 1887.50
    gonkie Call   50.00 175.00 1515.00
    churchy18 Raise   275.00 450.00 1880.00
    ginn07 Call   250.00 700.00 3860.00
    Tanya22 Fold        
    tarraiai Fold        
    gonkie Fold        
    Flop
       
    • 6
    • 10
    • 3
    		     
    ginn07 Check        
    churchy18 Bet   200.00 900.00 1680.00
    ginn07 Call   200.00 1100.00 3660.00
    Turn
       
    • 4
    		     
    ginn07 Check        
    churchy18 Bet   300.00 1400.00 1380.00
    ginn07 Call   300.00 1700.00 3360.00
    River
       
    • 5
    		     
    ginn07 Bet   1700.00 3400.00 1660.00
    churchy18 All-in   1380.00 4780.00 0.00
    ginn07 Unmatched bet   320.00 4460.00 1980.00
    ginn07 Show
    • A
    • 3
    • 6
    • 2
    		     
    churchy18 Show
    • A
    • 2
    • J
    • A
    		     
    ginn07 Win high Straight to the 6 2230.00   4210.00
    ginn07 Win low 5-low 1115.00   5325.00
    churchy18 Win low 5-low 1115.00   1115.00
          
          
          
          
          
          
          
          

          
          
          
          
          
          

          

          
          
          
    this 1  i am 41%v28% for the scoop 62%v37%for hi and 12%v41% for lo
    mouseo8 Small blind   300.00 300.00 2942.50
    Tanya22 Big blind   600.00 900.00 2498.75
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • 10
    • 5
    • J
    		     
    churchy18 Raise   2100.00 3000.00 2677.53
    gonkie All-in   881.22 3881.22 0.00
    mouseo8 Fold        
    Tanya22 Fold        
    churchy18 Unmatched bet   1218.78 2662.44 3896.31
    churchy18 Show
    • A
    • 10
    • 5
    • J
    		     
    gonkie Show
    • 3
    • 7
    • A
    • 6
    		     
    Flop
       
    • 8
    • 8
    • 7
    		     
    Turn
       
    • 2
    		     
    River
       
    • Q
    		     
    gonkie Win high Two Pairs, 8s and 7s 1331.22   1331.22
    gonkie Win low 8-low 1331.22   2662.44
    this 1 iam 63%v36 for the hi..
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    moonmuff Small blind   150.00 150.00 1762.50
    churchy18 Big blind   300.00 450.00 7457.83
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • 8
    • 8
    • 10
    		     
    katty43 Fold        
    Tanya22 Fold        
    moonmuff Raise   750.00 1200.00 1012.50
    churchy18 Raise   2400.00 3600.00 5057.83
    moonmuff All-in   1012.50 4612.50 0.00
    churchy18 Unmatched bet   787.50 3825.00 5845.33
    moonmuff Show
    • 7
    • A
    • 5
    • 5
    		     
    churchy18 Show
    • A
    • 8
    • 8
    • 10
    		     
    Flop
       
    • 9
    • 6
    • 6
    		     
    Turn
       
    • 5
    		     
    River
       
    • 10
    		     
    moonmuff Win high Full House, 5s and 6s 3825.00   3825.00
      No qualifying low hand  8/12  
    should i just give up?
    Player   95% fav this 1

    		ActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    churchy18 Small blind   20.00 20.00 2850.00
    Redmeat2 Big blind   40.00 60.00 2820.00
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • A
    • 6
    • 2
    		     
    strube Fold        
      Call   40.00 100.00 2670.00
    adzbo Call   40.00 140.00 3645.00
    churchy18 Raise   180.00 320.00 2670.00
    Redmeat2 Fold        
      Call   160.00 480.00 2510.00
    adzbo Fold        
    Flop
       
    • Q
    • 4
    • K
    		     
    churchy18 Bet   240.00 720.00 2430.00
    1 Call   240.00 960.00 2270.00
    Turn
       
    • Q
    		     
    churchy18 Bet   960.00 1920.00 1470.00
      Call   960.00 2880.00 1310.00
    River
       
    • K
    		     
    churchy18 All-in   1470.00 4350.00 0.00
    1 All-in   1310.00 5660.00 0.00
    churchy18 Unmatched bet   160.00 5500.00 160.00
    churchy18 Show
    • A
    • A
    • 6
    • 2
    		     
      Show
    • 7
    • 8
    • K
    • 3
    		     
    1 Win high Three Kings 5500.00   5500.00
      No qualifying low hand        
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  • Nuggy962Nuggy962 Member Posts: 1,104
    edited June 2015
    No hi low expert only know basics. 

    From looking at all hand history looks like you are overplaying AA hugely in the 4 card game and getting it all in pre with medium hands. 

    Play looks very aggro. Maybe playing same guys and they have notes that happy to get it in light? 

    Anyways, do not really get the game that well, just my obs :)

    Run better
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  • churchy18churchy18 Member Posts: 1,850
    edited June 2015
    In Response to Re: how can this keep happening!:
    No hi low expert only know basics.  From looking at all hand history looks like you are overplaying AA hugely in the 4 card game and getting it all in pre with medium hands.  Play looks very aggro. Maybe playing same guys and they have notes that happy to get it in light?  Anyways, do not really get the game that well, just my obs :) Run better
    Posted by Nuggy962
    i know bud silly me playing the better hand 
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  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited July 2015
    In Response to Re: how can this keep happening!:
    No hi low expert only know basics.  From looking at all hand history looks like you are overplaying AA hugely in the 4 card game and getting it all in pre with medium hands.  Play looks very aggro. Maybe playing same guys and they have notes that happy to get it in light?  Anyways, do not really get the game that well, just my obs :) Run better
    Posted by Nuggy962
    Yeah that was my thinking reading this... aren't a lot of these the stat equivalent of things like AJ vs KT all in spins in NLHE... frustrating when your better hand doesn't hold but not in the league as AA vs ATC, let alone close to getting in with top set and losing to runner-runner flush/straight or 1-outer for quads?

    I think moving back to the 2 card game may be the best option if you don't run well in pre-flop all ins!
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