Car Crashes

Benchmark

Not sure what everyone was thinking here, fortunately, I had them all covered...

60p DYM - 5 players still in.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Player 1	Small blind		100.00	100.00	662.50
Benchmark	Big blind		200.00	300.00	3990.00
	Your hole cards	8 10
Player 3	Call		200.00	500.00	2072.50
Player 2	Call		200.00	700.00	2765.00
Player 4	Fold
Player 1	Call		100.00	800.00	562.50
Benchmark	Check
Flop
		6 7 9
Player 1	Check
Benchmark	Bet		600.00	1400.00	3390.00
Player 3	All-in		2072.50	3472.50	0.00
Player 2	Call		2072.50	5545.00	692.50
Player 1	All-in		562.50	6107.50	0.00
Benchmark	Call		1472.50	7580.00	1917.50
Turn
		3
Benchmark	Check
Player 3	Check
River
		J
Benchmark	Check
Player 2	Check
Player 1	Show	9 7
Benchmark	Show	8 10
Player 3	Muck	8 A
Player 2	Show	A 4
Player 2	Win	Flush to the Ace	7580.00		8272.50

stokefc

seems they all had a piece of the flop so i can understand the flop play with their stacks,pre flop errm not so sure but i dont play dym,ida shoved pre with player twos hand pre,can a dym specialist analise plz

Benchmark

I think my biggest concern is with player 1. Two pair is usually a good hand, however he was unlikely to improve (16%) and would have been better suited folding. TBH, I should have folded, however, I DID have the made hand. With so many chips flying about, it was obvious that someone only needed a diamond (36% for player 2). Player 3 needed a 5 or 10 (32%).

In hindsight, Myself and player 1 should have folded. Player 2 & 3, fair enough to go for it.

When you're only playing for shrapnel, it's easier to take a chance.

CraigSG1

How can you fold the nuts? Fair enough checking it down but folding? Seriously?

Matt237

You should fold the flop. Player 2 I think can also fold flop

F_Ivanovic

In Response to Re: Car Crashes:

I think my biggest concern is with player 1. Two pair is usually a good hand, however he was unlikely to improve (16%) and would have been better suited folding. TBH, I should have folded, however, I DID have the made hand. With so many chips flying about, it was obvious that someone only needed a diamond (36% for player 2). Player 3 needed a 5 or 10 (32%). In hindsight, Myself and player 1 should have folded. Player 2 & 3, fair enough to go for it. When you're only playing for shrapnel, it's easier to take a chance.
Posted by Benchmark

Whaaaat? You have that completely the wrong way around. Both player 2 & 3 should have folded. 3 should have folded because a straight draw & no pair on a flush draw board 4 way is just never going to be in that good shape and once the chip leader (you) has bet, it's a very easy fold. 2 should have folded because after a bet and AI plus a short-stack behind him he has a good chance of it getting to 4 way (and possibly to 3 way if P1 goes in and you knock both out) - if he had Ad8d or even Ad7d then it would be closer and arguably calling is probably fine because of the potential extra outs.

Player 1 has 2 pair and 560 chips and again it's pretty close but I think they have to call. Unless they know you will call too then only 1 player is going to go out and they will still be very short-stacked. So they need a double up (or more, in this case it'll be a quadruple up if they win) and top 2 pair is just too strong to fold. If they had a weaker 2 pair or TPTK/overpair then folding might become best for them.

You also have an easy call with the nuts... yes, we have a lot of chips and don't 'need' to get involved. For that reason I would be folding a great ton of very good hands with good odds (NFD's, 2 pairs)... but we just have SOOO much equity. If P2 wins then it doesn't matter we lose the most amt of chips cause 2 players are knocked out and we cash. The only bad situation would be if Player 2 wins + Player 3 beats our hand too. That situation could only happen if both of them have FD's and hit (28.5%) - or one has FD and the other a set/2 pair and they both hit (v unlikely) Or if all 3 beat us with P1 staying in - imagine this would be insanely low %.

Most of the time we have a high % chance of knocking at least 2 players out and cashing. Even in worst case scenarios we are never going to be knocked out.