hit trip 4's and lost to trip 9's should I be going all in each time I hit low trips, any numbers or

Marcusb169

Hand History #937645400 (23:49 16/08/2015)

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Marcusb169	Small blind		600.00	600.00	76677.50
Snotface13	Big blind		1200.00	1800.00	44220.00
	Your hole cards	4 4
IH8PALACE	Raise		2400.00	4200.00	15496.00
chapperman	Fold
Rableno	Call		2400.00	6600.00	85482.00
henners10	Fold
Marcusb169	Call		1800.00	8400.00	74877.50
Snotface13	Call		1200.00	9600.00	43020.00
Flop
		4 J 2
Marcusb169	Check
Snotface13	Check
IH8PALACE	Check
Rableno	Bet		4800.00	14400.00	80682.00
Marcusb169	Call		4800.00	19200.00	70077.50
Snotface13	Fold
IH8PALACE	Fold
Turn
		9
Marcusb169	Check
Rableno	Bet		9600.00	28800.00	71082.00
Marcusb169	Raise		25200.00	54000.00	44877.50
Rableno	All-in		71082.00	125082.00	0.00
Marcusb169	All-in		44877.50	169959.50	0.00
Rableno	Unmatched bet		10604.50	159355.00	10604.50
Marcusb169	Show	4 4
Rableno	Show	9 9
River
		A
Rableno	Win	Three 9s	159355.00

Tikay10

Morning MarcusB.

I don't know the numbers or percentages, but set over set is so rare (in NLH) that we should just discount it from our thinking really - it is extremely rare, & when it occurs, our hand is ungetoffable. It's just bad luck in a way. I say "in a way" because we got lucky to out-flop the 9-9, then unlucky to get out-turned. Even in PLO, where we hit sets for fun, it's quite unusual.

Nothing you could have done, either, the board was fairly dry apart from the flush draw, & I doubt 9-9 man folds to one over.

On a very wet flop, yes, maybe we should play it faster, but J-4-2, nope, the play was fine imo. The rivered Ace would normally be a great card for you, it hits so many ranges, & you'd likely get the lot against most villains, if we assume 9-9 man was not in the hand.
 
Sometimes players over-think these situations. It was just a bit unlucky, a cooler as the kids say, forget it, keep playing as you are, & all will be well.  

mumsie

Say you took small pocket pairs out of your sb calling range .no more 22-88 .

It would mean your less likely to get out tripped. But you would be missing tons of oppourtunities where you would have hit your trips and got paid off.

Tikay10

Agree with mumsie.
 
It's worth trying to hit those small sets, even if, once every x thousand times, we get out-setted.

We can SEE possible straights, we can SEE possible flushes, the board needs to have a certain texture. Sets are hidden, & we can bust people with sets far more easily than any other hand.
If someone holds Aces on a 10-7-2 flop, & we have 2-2 in our hand, is Aces man ever folding?

Persevere with them, & if you get the occasional over set, too bad.  

Lambert180

+1 to above.

Fwiw, as you wanted the maths behind it...

If we give him a reasonable range to do this with, probably like AJ/KJ, all the sets (minus 44 cos he can't have it), JJ/99/22, J9 probably the only reasonable 2pr then some reasonable draws like A5ss, QTdd, QTss, A9ss, T8ss, KQss. Against those hands we are dead on 83% favourite to win the hand.

	Equity	Win	Tie
MP2	83.00%	83.00%	0.00%	4d4c
MP3	17.00%	17.00%	0.00%	JJ, 99, 22, AJs, KJs, J9s, KsQs, QdTd, QsTs, As9s, Ts8s, As5s, AJo, KJo, J9o

There's also a decent chance he 3bets JJ too which means it's even less likely he has one of the few hands that crushes us. If you did remove JJ from that range we become an 88% favourite

rivermunky

i dont have many skills in poker but the one i would really love is to see when someones flopped a set v your over pair so hard so sniff a set out ! i would probably bet the flop as flush draw is already there ! unlucky marcus

GILLS69

                                                        Hi,
                                                           Theres nothing wrong about set-mining but when they are low n u hit the flop but the board was dry apart from a flush draw so I think a decent half pot-ish bet wouldn't go amiss to suss out who might have a hand.With only one over card out it would take a serious bet to get the villain off and same goes for anyone with a flush draw.
                You just got unlucky on the turn.I don't have the figures but it was rare to have set on set like that so don't let it get to you and keep your game balanced by not thinking about this scenario next time you're in a similar situation.
                                                                                    Run well mate,
                                                                                                         Jim

DESERTTURK

unless the opponents has 1 card  and uses 3 of the community to make his quads then NEVER should you be folding quads you should be happy to call everytime