Yucky spot!

cowhead

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30 players paid.

I know villain to be a very competent player who I imagine has me pegged as very agro from previous history,  especially around the bubble with a big stack.

I had 25k behind after the open.

Thoughts???

Hand History #939142385 (23:22 21/08/2015)

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
albert1962	Small blind		300.00	300.00	9051.25
seductor	Big blind		600.00	900.00	10260.00
	Your hole cards	Q Q
cowhead	Raise		1200.00	2100.00	25155.00
Aido_dom	Fold
Villain	All-in		19397.50	21497.50	0.00
cabbo79	Fold
albert1962	Fold
seductor	Fold
cowhead	Fold
Villain	Show
Villain	Win		3300.00		3300.00
Villain	Return		18197.50

FeelGroggy

Snap Call, expect  his premiums AA or KK to raise smaller here. Some players could turn up with AK here but I wouldn't be surprised to see a hand like 9's here. If he thinks your aggro he probably thinks your opening near to any two on the bubble so might jam pairs and AJ kind of stuff.

I think my calling range for this spot would be Tens+ AKo, maybe AQs 

MAXALLY

I don't normally comment on these, but will give my thoughts on this one.

Interesting spot. He could of possibly seen your min raise a sign of weakness but hopefully you may of min raised with a prem in hope of getting it in against any raise. If he also thought this, a jam is a good move here to force you to call.I don't think I could fold there as you have player covered. I think you also have 25K back and even if you call and lose, you still have 6k ish to spin back up.

Anyway, like I say, I don't think I could fold but I notice that the player did show after you mucked. He must of respected your play here....unless he showed 7 2 os

omm

Have you seen him push 32bbs with AA or KK before? Possibly more likely to do it with AK. I with the other 2 on this one, unless I have a specific read on the player (which would be in the notes and tagged) I'm calling. 

cowhead

In Response to Re: Yucky spot!:

Have you seen him push 32bbs with AA or KK before? Possibly more likely to do it with AK. I with the other 2 on this one, unless I have a specific read on the player (which would be in the notes and tagged) I'm calling. 
Posted by omm

I haven't seen this player shove this big in the past. I do have notes on the player but can't remember what they are off hand, but they certainly don't have anything to do with a spot like this.

At the time I didn't think the player in question would make this move with AK (unlike some).

I really didn't know what to make of it at the time to be honest. I'm in no way a player that will fold my way to the money and do play for the win.

My question really is what is he trying to achieve here? If I'm raising light and he has a premium, I'm folding and he's not getting any sort of value from his hand. If he's shoving hands like middle pairs and AK, AQ etc and is called he's probably in trouble.

I actually know what he had as he showed but I'm still feeling the fold was incorrect.
More comments/opinions would be greatly appreciated.

HENDRIK62

In Response to Re: Yucky spot!:

I don't normally comment on these, but will give my thoughts on this one. Interesting spot. He could of possibly seen your min raise a sign of weakness but hopefully you may of min raised with a prem in hope of getting it in against any raise. If he also thought this, a jam is a good move here to force you to call.I don't think I could fold there as you have player covered. I think you also have 25K back and even if you call and lose, you still have 6k ish to spin back up. Anyway, like I say, I don't think I could fold but I notice that the player did show after you mucked. He must of respected your play here....unless he showed 7 2 os
Posted by MAXALLY

I agree with what is highlighted (and I would also struggle to fold :-)).

The very fact that most commentators have expressed the opinion that they would expect this move from 99, AK AQ ranges would be a good enough reason for anyone holding a very strong hand KK AA to make this move. If villian respects your game and can reasonably expect you to take that line of thinking then a shove is a very smart play IMO.

cowhead

In Response to Re: Yucky spot!:

In Response to Re: Yucky spot! : I agree with what is highlighted (and I would also struggle to fold :-)). The very fact that most commentators have expressed the opinion that they would expect this move from 99, AK AQ ranges would be a good enough reason for anyone holding a very strong hand KK AA to make this move. If villian respects your game and can reasonably expect you to take that line of thinking then a shove is a very smart play IMO.
Posted by HENDRIK62

At the time I didnt know what to think of it but the more I think of it the more i like his shove (for the reason you mentioned) and dislike my fold. He did actually show KK so the fold was right but i still think long term I have to call as a lot of players will do this with the hands you mentioned 99 AK, AQ etc.

MattBates

In Response to Re: Yucky spot!:

In Response to Re: Yucky spot! : At the time I didnt know what to think of it but the more I think of it the more i like his shove (for the reason you mentioned) and dislike my fold. He did actually show KK so the fold was right but i still think long term I have to call as a lot of players will do this with the hands you mentioned 99 AK, AQ etc.
Posted by cowhead

This is only good if he knows you have a hand. You have opened which you doing with 100% of your range so I dont see how he can know.