Hand History #960309045 (22:25 25/10/2015) Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance NChanning Small blind 150.00 150.00 15299.00 rspca12 Big blind 300.00 450.00 14325.00 Your hole cards 7 9 darsum333 Raise 600.00 1050.00 29550.00 albania Fold posh92 Fold chicknMelt Fold NChanning Call 450.00 1500.00 14849.00 rspca12 Call 300.00 1800.00 14025.00 Flop 3 5 7 NChanning Check rspca12 Check darsum333 Bet 980.00 2780.00 28570.00 NChanning Fold rspca12 Call 980.00 3760.00 13045.00 Turn J rspca12 Check darsum333 Bet 1870.00 5630.00 26700.00 rspca12 Raise 4040.00 9670.00 9005.00 darsum333 Call 2170.00 11840.00 24530.00 River A rspca12 All-in 9005.00 20845.00 0.00 darsum333 Call 9005.00 29850.00 15525.00 rspca12 Show 7 9 darsum333 Show Q Q darsum333 Win Pair of Queens 29850.00 45375.00 Posted by rspca12
hand above ok think I over played it but here my thinking I called from bb getting a top price 300 into 1500 5to 1. ok decent flop for my hand 357 neil checks here my thinking when on me I know darum is going to cbet about 90% time if a check so was going to lead the flop but thought I will check call think the lead is ok aswell. darsum bets just over half pot sb passed I call turn jack I think all I can do is check and see what he does. he bets h/p again I decided at this point I will turn my hand into a bluff so raised him to 4k and my plan was to jam the river when I make it 4k he passes imo better hands then me. on river its tricky because the ace hits is range aj for example but that's the only hand tbh I decide to jam he tanks and makes a gd call. even though he called I like my line in generally but I might be trying to hard win to win every pot. what u thoughts on this hand
If he were on the button and you've got a note about him attemting to steal it might be worthwile calling but when UTG your equity will already be extremely small when taking into account his range and to make things worse the straight draw that uses both your cards has got to see an 8.
As played the reason you'll be making a check call on the flop is because he might holding two picture cards therefore the turn card itself will be now putting even more of his range ahead of you. So whilst it might get rid of the 88-1010 these themselves won't be enough in comparison to those that will still call you or weren't ahead of you to begin.
The river card itself might sometimes work against any over pairs still in but it was really you only option, long run these will be bricks as far as over cards are concerned and really only an A or J would be of much help at all because from what it seems your trying to rep an AJ.
My biggest weakness in the game is my mental game and struggle with downswings tbh. any advice on how to deal with these will be gd I normally take a brake from the game. Posted by rspca12
Must be something in the water mate , am from Salford as well and have same problem. You could try reading Mental Game of Poker 1+2 , have heard good things about them, I have both of them, but have only partially read them awhile back, which is a bad habit of mine. Also some podcasts that might help you:
This hand should be folded pre. If he were on the button and you've got a note about him attemting to steal it might be worthwile calling but when UTG your equity will already be extremely small when taking into account his range and to make things worse the straight draw that uses both your cards has got to see an 8. As played the reason you'll be making a check call on the flop is because he might holding two picture cards therefore the turn card itself will be now putting even more of his range ahead of you. So whilst it might get rid of the 88-1010 these themselves won't be enough in comparison to those that will still call you or weren't ahead of you to begin. The river card itself might sometimes work against any over pairs still in but it was really you only option, long run these will be bricks as far as over cards are concerned and really only an A or J would be of much help at all because from what it seems your trying to rep an AJ. Posted by craigcu12
Good to see an MTT diary on the forum.
We are getting an amazing price to peel pre and calling I would say is fairly standard, also we are in the bb not utg.
@Matt I think Craigs post is referring to the fact that the open raise is UTG, therefore we would assign a stronger range to it than if it were from the button.
But as 97 is the nuts - I'd risk the peel and slow play to disguise strength ;-)
Seriously though 3 handed and closing the action peeling is obviously fine while pretty deep and with a hand that can stack someone.
I'd be tempted to give up on the turn myself - but the way you played it you are repping a set or some kind of str8/flush draw. Would be easier to jam the river had the "draw" come in.
PS Just to clarify - Not really intending to try and give you advice rspca - just like discussing hands and happy to learn from anyone telling me why I am wrong.
I thought a bit more about your hand, and I really like the play now, you rep an insane amount of hands, and with this cr*p QQ think he should fold, but think to many people go 'oh I have him covered, my life isn't on the line' and just station it off, just get the note dont do it again . I will say however I play cash mostly so take my advice with a pinch cause dont play to many mtt's, or short stack play either, so maybe doing this with QQ is good?.
I thought a bit more about your hand, and I really like the play now, you rep an insane amount of hands, and with this cr*p QQ think he should fold, but think to many people go 'oh I have him covered, my life isn't on the line' and just station it off, just get the note dont do it again . I will say however I play cash mostly so take my advice with a pinch cause dont play to many mtt's, or short stack play either, so maybe doing this with QQ is good?. Posted by HaveaA1Day
Having played with both of these players I'm gonna guess that how the hand played out will be a lot more to do with who the hero and villain are instead of what ranges they are trying to rep, I would be very surprised if Darsum didn't have some thorough notes on one of the best players on the site, of course this could all be a rouse from rspca to show that he doesn't always have it when he bombs the river (when usually he does and builds massive stacks ��). Great hand to talk about though as I reckon it will divide opinions. Will look at the hand properly when I get a chance and hopefully add my thoughts.
BTW Great to see you starting a diary rspca, has the potential to be wonderful. Look forward to learning a few things. Hope you keep it going for a while.
I think it's pretty optimistic the hand. You rep pretty much nothing imo. Most 2prs/sets you'll raise flop, I can't see you raising Jx on the turn and you shouldn't imo. I think once you've flatted flop if you had a value hand you'd flat pretty much 100% of them on the turn which I'm guessing is why Darsum called, cos it just doesn't many any sense.
I think the turn is a pretty good card for you to just c/c again fwiw.
I thought a bit more about your hand, and I really like the play now, you rep an insane amount of hands, and with this cr*p QQ think he should fold, but think to many people go 'oh I have him covered, my life isn't on the line' and just station it off, just get the note dont do it again . I will say however I play cash mostly so take my advice with a pinch cause dont play to many mtt's, or short stack play either, so maybe doing this with QQ is good?. Posted by HaveaA1Day
I really dont think we do rep an insane amount of hands, flopped sets and 46 is what we are repping with the action.
In Response to Re: rspca poker diary : I really dont think we do rep an insane amount of hands, flopped sets and 46 is what we are repping with the action. Posted by MattBates
Do you not think he can also have 42s,73s,75s,53s,J7s, not sure whether you guys would play J5s and J3s, he can also have 75os, not sure how low you go with slightly connected stuff but could have 53os as well. Also dont think its clear cut as 'oh if he had a good hand he would raise it otf' , because what does RSPCA's range look like ott when he c/c otf full of pair type stuff and draws, so gotta add some strong hands in there to protect it.
Also looking at Darsum, what value hands does he beat of RSPCA's when he takes this line?, cause it looks to me that all he beats is bluffs or hands that have been turned into a bluff, and the only way its good is if RSPCA is overbluffing.
In Response to Re: rspca poker diary : Do you not think he can also have 42s,73s,75s,53s,J7s, not sure whether you guys would play J5s and J3s, he can also have 75os, not sure how low you go with slightly connected stuff but could have 53os as well. Also dont think its clear cut as 'oh if he had a good hand he would raise it otf' , because what does RSPCA's range look like ott when he c/c otf full of pair type stuff and draws, so gotta add some strong hands in there to protect it. Also looking at Darsum, what value hands does he beat of RSPCA's when he takes this line?, cause it looks to me that all he beats is bluffs or hands that have been turned into a bluff, and the only way its good is if RSPCA is overbluffing. Posted by HaveaA1Day
42s yes but if it was 42dd I would have thought we would raise flop as its such a monster draw. This would make sense as the ace hits and we dont seem to care that the ace has hit. Would we play 42 like this on the turn?
hi peeps thanks for all u positive comments and thanks for locking at the hand new it divide opion that's why I posted it. I not played much this week as been to the caravan with family and dog. come back fresh for ukops on Monday I might play Sunday but will see. Just played the speed tonight came 3rd so not to bd around 200 quid I think exit hand got it in with qjv aq a high bored gave me a flush draw didn't come on to the next one as there say.
My goals for ukops are 2ft main events and to win 1 side event but hopeful more.
hand posted below interesting what does everone think of the hand.
nice try on the flop, but when you are raised you might as well let it go, as you won't get many cards on the turn that'll let you continue to call the next barrel and you are out of position.
Isn't this a raise pf when we are 20bb deep?. Like I said dont really play a lot of mtt's, but have been trying to work on my mtt game, and have seen people mentioning about hs guys limping otb with like 10-15bb.
As played I think I agree with geldy, when he raises just fold, because I mean how likely are you to get this to sd, do you think a c/c line could be a good alternative?.
Isn't this a raise pf when we are 20bb deep?. Like I said dont really play a lot of mtt's, but have been trying to work on my mtt game, and have seen people mentioning about hs guys limping otb with like 10-15bb. As played I think I agree with geldy, when he raises just fold, because I mean how likely are you to get this to sd, do you think a c/c line could be a good alternative?. Posted by HaveaA1Day
hi mate thanks for u comment yes I could 3x raise from s/b but I don't realy wont to get 20 bigs in with kq off against this player and if a 3 x it he is going to call a lot and im playing ofp in a inflated pot. yes 3 x getting it in for 20 bigs with kq sb/bb in perfectly fine and profitable move just like to mix it up a bit.
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If he were on the button and you've got a note about him attemting to steal it might be worthwile calling but when UTG your equity will already be extremely small when taking into account his range and to make things worse the straight draw that uses both your cards has got to see an 8.
As played the reason you'll be making a check call on the flop is because he might holding two picture cards therefore the turn card itself will be now putting even more of his range ahead of you. So whilst it might get rid of the 88-1010 these themselves won't be enough in comparison to those that will still call you or weren't ahead of you to begin.
The river card itself might sometimes work against any over pairs still in but it was really you only option, long run these will be bricks as far as over cards are concerned and really only an A or J would be of much help at all because from what it seems your trying to rep an AJ.
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Also looking at Darsum, what value hands does he beat of RSPCA's when he takes this line?, cause it looks to me that all he beats is bluffs or hands that have been turned into a bluff, and the only way its good is if RSPCA is overbluffing.
My goals for ukops are 2ft main events and to win 1 side event but hopeful more.
hand posted below interesting what does everone think of the hand.
Hand History #962422140 (23:55 31/10/2015)
As played I think I agree with geldy, when he raises just fold, because I mean how likely are you to get this to sd, do you think a c/c line could be a good alternative?.