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Channing the Chopper

Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,626
edited December 2015 in Poker Chat

Neil Channing played the 2 day, £300 entry 6 Max at the GUKPT Grand Final festival at The Vic this week.
 
After a very long battle, he chopped it heads up with Mark Banin, Mark taking slightly more to reflect chip stacks. Think Neil got around £9,000.

Marv. 

YBA.

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  • aussie09aussie09 Member Posts: 8,033
    edited November 2015

    excellent.  wp neil.


     
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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,626
    edited November 2015

    Was quite interested to se they did business.

    Amongst many of the young guns, there's almost a stigma to "chops".

    "I don't do business, I go for the win" is the mantra.

    However, saying it is one thing, doing it is another, & many have never been in that spot for decent money, & when it comes to it, they are happy to cut a deal.
     
    What would you do, if, say, you were even in chips, & your opponent was pretty handy, assuming a sensible deal was tabled, & you lock up, say, an extra £3,000 over 2nd place?

    The figures don't really matter though - are you for or against doing a bit of business in these spots? 

    Ambo is busy this week, but I'd be very interested in his view when time permits.
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  • mumsiemumsie Member Posts: 8,218
    edited November 2015
    Ive split £120 
    £80 £40 not in my favour .
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  • DAVEYZZDAVEYZZ Member Posts: 1,651
    edited November 2015
    In Response to Channing the Chopper:
    Neil Channing played the 2 day, £300 entry 6 Max at the GUKPT Grand Final festival at The Vic this week.   After a very long battle, he chopped it heads up with Mark Banin, Mark taking slightly more to reflect chip stacks. Think Neil got around £9,000. Marv.  YBA. etc.    
    Posted by Tikay10
    Well done mark banin!..nice to see he is still at it..
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  • chicknMeltchicknMelt Member Posts: 1,159
    edited November 2015
    WP Neil!

    For me it depends on how steep the jumps are, how much the money means to me,  how good my opponent is and how deep stacked we are. Definately not against it in principle, and have dealt a few times both online and live.


    the 2 main scenarios i would deal in are:

    1. the money doesnt mean that much, there is alot of play left, the other player/s are at least decent.

    2. The monet is significant and there isnt much play left

    Id also deal regardless if any of the above if i felt i was getting more than i felt my EV is for playing it out. Its pretty common for regs to  seek a deal online if they mid session... playing heads up for decent money whilst playing 10 other tables isnt ideal.

    having said all that, you cant beat the rush lasting to HU in a tournament, then battling it out for a good chunk of change and the title.



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  • MattBatesMattBates Member Posts: 4,118
    edited November 2015
    In Response to Re: Channing the Chopper:
    Was quite interested to se they did business. Amongst many of the young guns, there's almost a stigma to "chops". "I don't do business, I go for the win " is the mantra. However, saying it is one thing, doing it is another, & many have never been in that spot for decent money, & when it comes to it, they are happy to cut a deal.   What would you do, if, say, you were even in chips, & your opponent was pretty handy, assuming a sensible deal was tabled, & you lock up, say, an extra £3,000 over 2nd place? The figures don't really matter though - are you for or against doing a bit of business in these spots?  Ambo is busy this week, but I'd be very interested in his view when time permits.
    Posted by Tikay10
    Firstly, wp Neil. 

    I was going to say I dont know if there is amongst the young guns...then realised I am getting on a bit now so not considered a young gun!

    I have dealt a few times live and online and refused deals and been refused when looking to deal. 

    If it isnt that deep or if opponent is decent then it makes sense to take the deal a lot of the time. Also if I am playing online and have a lot of tables then doing a deal is good if opponents are reasonable. 

    In some circumstances you can get really good deals too. I have seen players manage to get more than 1st place was paying where 1 player has a monster stack and the others are low stacked with similar stacks. They locked a decent amount more so agreed to it. 


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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,626
    edited November 2015


    The replies all make sense, or they do to me.

    I just find it jars a little when folks say "I NEVER DO BUSINESS, I GO FOR THE WIN".

    Because, in real life, it is rarely that simple - sometimes it makes sense to do business, sometimes not.
     
    And to my mind, anyone who says they will never chop, deal, or do business, is not really paying attention, it's just bravado.
     
    If the circumstances are right, fine, do it. If they are not, don't. 

    Saying "never" just makes no sense.

      
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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited November 2015
    it's funny that you say young guns have that mantra, I thought it was more an old guy thing. You know, "this is how it used to be, and this is how it's gonaa go down ok" kinda the same thing with running it twice, too. 
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  • MattBatesMattBates Member Posts: 4,118
    edited November 2015
    In Response to Re: Channing the Chopper:
    The replies all make sense, or they do to me. I just find it jars a little when folks say "I NEVER DO BUSINESS, I GO FOR THE WIN". Because, in real life, it is rarely that simple - sometimes it makes sense to do business, sometimes not.   And to my mind, anyone who says they will never chop, deal, or do business, is not really paying attention, it's just bravado.   If the circumstances are right, fine, do it. If they are not, don't.  Saying "never" just makes no sense.   
    Posted by Tikay10
    I think the ones who say that rarely get that deep. Also I play for the win is an excuse for bad ICM decisions a lot of the time. 

    A few years back I managed a deal about 7 handed for $9k with $9.5k ftw when I had a monster stack and they agreed as they were getting a lot more than they would get if they were out next. They wanted to deal so I went with a big number to get negotiated down and they snap accepted. Getting nearly the same as ftw without all that variance means you have to accept. While winning a tournament is a great feeling, we are playing for the money so if its a good deal you should go for it. 
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  • weecheez1weecheez1 Member Posts: 1,686
    edited November 2015
    Just curious  how would you chop when playing online when the payouts are automatic 
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  • MattBatesMattBates Member Posts: 4,118
    edited November 2015
    In Response to Re: Channing the Chopper:
    Just curious  how would you chop when playing online when the payouts are automatic 
    Posted by weecheez1
    On some other sites there is a deal button. You click this, when everyone has you can negotiate the prizepool payouts. Sometimes a set amount has to be kept for the winner. 
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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,626
    edited November 2015
    In Response to Re: Channing the Chopper:
    it's funny that you say young guns have that mantra, I thought it was more an old guy thing. You know, "this is how it used to be, and this is how it's gonaa go down ok" kinda the same thing with running it twice, too. 
    Posted by percival09
    You may be right, but the point remains the same. And you are forgetting one thing - everyone (bar Dollie & Andrew1947) are "young guns" to me.

    In Live Poker, in Vegas, I run it twice when it suits me, though I'd prefer that option not to exist.      
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  • RICHORFORDRICHORFORD Member Posts: 5,571
    edited November 2015
    In Response to Channing the Chopper:
    Neil Channing played the 2 day, £300 entry 6 Max at the GUKPT Grand Final festival at The Vic this week.   After a very long battle, he chopped it heads up with Mark Banin, Mark taking slightly more to reflect chip stacks. Think Neil got around £9,000. Marv.  YBA. etc.    
    Posted by Tikay10

    Yes, very good Neil.

    This is the second time this year I've had a half decent result which you've immediately trumped with a far bigger win.

    Thanks for raining on my parade.

    That said, I'm beginning to think I'm your lucky charm. If I win, you win. Let's discuss a commission fee...
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  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited November 2015
    WP Neil

    Mark Banin brings back some memories.

    Probably my only poker claim to fame is beating Mark Banin in a SNG on telly and being described as his nemesis in the commentary. 
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  • Macacgirl1Macacgirl1 Member Posts: 865
    edited November 2015
    Dear Mr. Channing.
    Well done.
    Next week we are having a player driven type of PLO8 promotion. We'd be chuffed if you made a guest appearance one night.
    Thanks in advance.

    ps. If Mrs Channing won't let you have a tenner pocket money, I'll paypal you it on the QT, no worries.
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  • RICHORFORDRICHORFORD Member Posts: 5,571
    edited November 2015
    In Response to Re: Channing the Chopper:
    WP Neil Mark Banin brings back some memories. Probably my only poker claim to fame is beating Mark Banin in a SNG on telly and being described as his nemesis in the commentary. 
    Posted by Phantom66
    True story. The last time I saw Mark Banin was about 18 months ago and we had a conversation whilst he sat in a jacuzzi with a lady.


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  • degenmuchdegenmuch Member Posts: 61
    edited November 2015
    In Response to Re: Channing the Chopper:
    WP Neil Mark Banin brings back some memories. Probably my only poker claim to fame is beating Mark Banin in a SNG on telly and being described as his nemesis in the commentary. 
    Posted by Phantom66
    Hoofy, stanters,scotty, Johan haren to name a few,them were the days
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  • badcawlbadcawl Member Posts: 97
    edited November 2015
    In Response to Re: Channing the Chopper:
    WP Neil Mark Banin brings back some memories. Probably my only poker claim to fame is beating Mark Banin in a SNG on telly and being described as his nemesis in the commentary. 
    Posted by Phantom66



    Mark Banin = My first poker hero

    nice one centurion
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  • badcawlbadcawl Member Posts: 97
    edited November 2015



    PS ...  Ron was the Chopper
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  • jordz16jordz16 Member Posts: 2,253
    edited November 2015
    If the money is life changing, or the chop is very obviously +ev for me would be the only time id actively seek a chop, mainly coz playing Ft's is the most fun part of poker in my opinion. 
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