What would you do...

jordz16

First hand of the roller, 1 guy open shoves, everyone folds, 2nd hand of the roller the same guy shoves, everyone folds, 3rd hand of the roller the same guy shoves, you have AKos in the big blind what do you do? just to add a tiny bit more info you are sat at the table with one decent reg, 2 poor players and 2 unknowns (1 of which is the guy shoving)

FeelGroggy

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First hand of the roller, 1 guy open shoves, everyone folds, 2nd hand of the roller the same guy shoves, everyone folds, 3rd hand of the roller the same guy shoves, you have AKos in the big blind what do you do? just to add a tiny bit more info you are sat at the table with one decent reg, 2 poor players and 2 unknowns (1 of which is the guy shoving)
Posted by jordz16

I call. Think by the time he open shoves 3 times its clear he doesn't have just premiums when he does this. He could definitely be dominated here. did this really happen? 

Also if your Jordz you have run good on your side so makes it even more a call imo

jordz16

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In Response to What would you do... : I call. Think by the time he open shoves 3 times its clear he doesn't have just premiums when he does this. He could definitely be dominated here. did this really happen?  Also if your Jordz you have run good on your side so makes it even more a call imo
Posted by FeelGroggy

Yeah it did happen, was about 2 months ago though and i just happened to be talking about it yesterday... I was quite unsure about it, If he has shoved his first 6+ hands then its an obv call, and even if he is doing it with any 2 then I guess im about 65% to win roughly?? and with a fairly soft table its whether I'd see my edge to be more important.

FeelGroggy

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In Response to Re: What would you do... : Yeah it did happen, was about 2 months ago though and i just happened to be talking about it yesterday... I was quite unsure about it, If he has shoved his first 6+ hands then its an obv call, and even if he is doing it with any 2 then I guess im about 65% to win roughly?? and with a fairly soft table its whether I'd see my edge to be more important.
Posted by jordz16

It depends how much you think your edge is worth I suppose. I'm not too sure about the maths but imagine 65% sounds reasonable if he is jamming any two. So pretty much 2/3rds of the time you win 10,000 chips, and 1/3rd you lose 10,000 chips. So if you ran it three times you should make 10,000 chips/3 = a +3333 chips proposition to call each time? I think that's probably too good to pass.  Hopefully that's right and I don't look like an idiot

craigcu12

I'd just fold it myself, It's a one of them spots where JJ ro 1010 will be better. You've still got a long time to get your stack built up and as an AK your at much greater risk of being defeated because it could be doing it with a pair and other hands might have 6 outs assuming he's doing it with random.

edit: Ak is still likely to be ahead or flip at worse so if you were happy enough to take the risk it will be a willing long run.

It can be an annoying thing having a player consistantly going all-in at the start of an MTT.

Sky_JP

I think it's likely that you're calling against any two, (even when you're not you're generally in pretty good shape). On the other hand, at least one third of the time, you're out of the tournament and have no chance of winning.

How much of an advantage do you think you gain from an early double up?

Here's how I'm thinking of it;

You have "x" chance of winning/cashing. If you don't call, you still have "x" chance of winning.

If you do call you have:

0.65 multiplied by "x", multiplied by the advantage you gain from an early double up.

If your chances of winning/cashing increase by 50% or more, you should call, if not, you shouldn't.

FeelGroggy

 If we don't pick him off now, somebody else probably will later I think its just too good to pass here. There are no guarantees we stay at this table too we could be moved elsewhere

BigRonnieC

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 If we don't pick him off now, somebody else probably will later I think its just too good to pass here. There are no guarantees we stay at this table too we could be moved elsewhere
Posted by FeelGroggy

I normally roll my eyes when I see this until someone calls with AJ and beats the villain's 85 off - or commiserate when 855 comes on flop, but I would only call if I had a top pair, esp in a MTT. You hope someone else will call or shove the guy but without a pair you're never a big favourite without JJ plus.

Essexphil

For me, this is an insta-call, provided no other players behind. 65% (or possibly 60-65%-he may actually have a hand this time)  is a big edge, particularly in what is a fairly tough tournament.

F_Ivanovic

I'm snap calling too. Even if villain isn't shoving any 2 it's more likely he's shovin hands which we dominate... weaker Ax and Kx hands than a 72o which is all the better for us.

As FeelGroggy said we can't just afford to wait until we get QQ through to AA because someone else could wake up with a hand they are willing to gamble with sooner. I've played cash games with maniacs before and far too often I see people playing too tight in these situations whilst I'm busy taking their stack! We can afford to get it in a cash game whenever it's +ev but ofc in a tournament we need it to be more than +ev when we are this deep and have a decent edge anyway, but 60%+ I still think is going to be too big to pass up.

SidV79

I played in a MTT the other day and at the end there were just two of us HU with seconds to go until the end so this would be the final hand. I was in the bb so it was his bet 1st, he was also ahead in chips but by less than 1000 so it was very close. I was dealt A6os so he called and I raised him x3 thinking Ax HU is avery good hand then imagine my surprise when he shoved as I thought wd played right into my hands here so snap called him. Now remembering this was the very last hand to be played before cashing especially as there were just the two of us I think that I made the right play but I lost to AA so left with nothing to show for my efforts as he took the whole prize pool. Thoughts anyone?

 

BigRonnieC

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I played in a MTT the other day and at the end there were just two of us HU with seconds to go until the end so this would be the final hand. I was in the bb so it was his bet 1st, he was also ahead in chips but by less than 1000 so it was very close. I was dealt A6os so he called and I raised him x3 thinking Ax HU is avery good hand then imagine my surprise when he shoved as I thought wd played right into my hands here so snap called him. Now remembering this was the very last hand to be played before cashing especially as there were just the two of us I think that I made the right play but I lost to AA so left with nothing to show for my efforts as he took the whole prize pool. Thoughts anyone?  
Posted by SidV79

You need to be told this was the wrong decision in a timed MTT? (I'm assuming it was timed with payout based on chip stacks from your post)

Even with AA this is probably -ev as there is a circa 28%+ chance we could lose everything. Did you not have reads and history on player precall that would say "do not call shove pre...esp given whole MTT on the line".