Merit in c/call?

mrleemr1

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
	Small blind		£0.10	£0.10	£10.58
	Big blind		£0.20	£0.30	£19.70
	Your hole cards	9  Q
mrleemr1	Raise		£0.60	£0.90	£19.40
TP(tight passive)	Call		£0.60	£1.50	£24.47
	Fold
	Fold
	Fold
Flop
		10  K  J
mrleemr1	Bet		£1.20	£2.70	£18.20
TP	Call		£1.20	£3.90	£23.27
Turn
		8
mrleemr1	Bet		£3.00	£6.90	£15.20
TP	Call		£3.00	£9.90	£20.27
River
		9
mrleemr1	Check
TP	Bet		£4.95	£14.85	£15.32
mrleemr1	Fold
TP	Muck
TP	Win		£9.40		£24.72
TP	Return		£4.95	£0.50	£29.67

radiofed28

Pre is far too loose imo.

As played yes you should ch/c imo since they could vb worse and possibly turn some made hands into bluffs, as well as the splits ofc. I suppose that you assume since he is so tight, that he has only fd here. But what fd does he have that calls pre if he is so tight? He can't have KQcc or any QXcc since you block it. Like the only thing he probably has is A5cc or something and he might have even folded that preflop if he is really so tight that you ch/f here. He raises AQ on flop/turn 99% of the time, too. 

BigBluster

Have I missed something? I just don't see how you can fold here. You're getting 3/1 and surely the straight will win at least 1 time in 4 to break even? Unless I've completely misread the hand, I just don't see how you can fold this to the half-pot bet on the end.

mrleemr1

To get to this river he is always going to have 1p+.

Does my opponent check back 2p+ I think so.

Does he fold jx with no draws on turn, I think so.

River he is getting here with 1p very rare.

So if im right in thinking I am chopping or beat a large proportion of the time I dont think that my odds are correct to c/call and I get to c/fold. My logic

grantorino

think i prefer a fold pre but w/e

river looks more like a b/f to me if villain passive

mrleemr1

I wanna get in pots vs sb/bb with good reason, I feel q9o is more than good enough

mrleemr1

In Response to Re: Merit in c/call?:

Pre is far too loose imo. As played yes you should ch/c imo since they could vb worse and possibly turn some made hands into bluffs, as well as the splits ofc. I suppose that you assume since he is so tight, that he has only fd here. But what fd does he have that calls pre if he is so tight? He can't have KQcc or any QXcc since you block it. Like the only thing he probably has is A5cc or something and he might have even folded that preflop if he is really so tight that you ch/f here. He raises AQ on flop/turn 99% of the time, too. 
Posted by radiofed28

I dont assume he has Fd only.

He is not Value betting worst here lets be honest. 2sets/2p he is gonna check back.

And if I am chopping or beat then its an easy fold. 

Chrissy_C

Got to check call here, makes it a little more meh cosu say he is passive so there is slightly less chance he is bluffing but it's still a call imo, agree with radiofed he can be turning made hands into a bluff here, I'd probs also say he bets bigger with a flush here.... He doesn't have AQ, I agree he checks back two pair A large amount here, he can at times here have called flop with Acjx Ac10x then on turn got stubborn and just be trying to take it away on river when scare card hits, so I think your losing a small amount of times here, choping a large portion and winning a reasonable amount too. 

mrleemr1

okay, thankyou

grantorino

why do people think c/c>>b/f v tight passive?

Suppose it depends exactly how tight and how passive he is

radiofed28

In Response to Re: Merit in c/call?:

why do people think c/c />>b/f v tight passive? Suppose it depends exactly how tight and how passive he is
Posted by grantorino

I only meant when he didn't bet himself he should ch/c, personally I would b/f very small and expect weak players to call off worse hands often enough.