i dont expect anything other

BURNShurtz

than this numpty joker poker lucker doughnuts

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Marrow1	Small blind		50.00	50.00	6330.00
BURNShurtz	Big blind		100.00	150.00	4065.00
	Your hole cards	K K
steven7507	Fold
Mateyos	Raise		300.00	450.00	2200.00
hogan2089	Fold
gremli22	Fold
Marrow1	Fold
BURNShurtz	All-in		4065.00	4515.00	0.00
Mateyos	All-in		2200.00	6715.00	0.00
BURNShurtz	Unmatched bet		1665.00	5050.00	1665.00
BURNShurtz	Show	K K
Mateyos	Show	J J
Flop
		Q 6 K
Turn
		9
River
		10
Mateyos	Win	Straight to the King	5050.00		5050.00

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
rubbertoes	Small blind		30.00	30.00	2787.50
BURNShurtz	Big blind		60.00	90.00	2125.00
	Your hole cards	Q Q
urturn33	Call		60.00	150.00	2285.00
parahandy1	Call		60.00	210.00	2990.00
Karver	Fold
spearsy136	Fold
rubbertoes	Call		30.00	240.00	2757.50
BURNShurtz	Raise		180.00	420.00	1945.00
urturn33	Call		180.00	600.00	2105.00
parahandy1	Fold
rubbertoes	Call		180.00	780.00	2577.50
Flop
		2 6 5
rubbertoes	Check
BURNShurtz	Bet		585.00	1365.00	1360.00
urturn33	Fold
rubbertoes	All-in		2577.50	3942.50	0.00
BURNShurtz	All-in		1360.00	5302.50	0.00
rubbertoes	Unmatched bet		632.50	4670.00	632.50
rubbertoes	Show	2 2
BURNShurtz	Show	Q Q
Turn
		A
River
		3
rubbertoes	Win	Three 2s	4670.00		5302.50

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
BURNShurtz	Small blind		150.00	150.00	1091.00
spohc	Big blind		300.00	450.00	3122.50
	Your hole cards	9 A
FatFlute	Fold
azzkicker	Fold
RolandD	Fold
BigManch	Raise		600.00	1050.00	27602.00
BURNShurtz	All-in		1091.00	2141.00	0.00
spohc	Fold
BigManch	Call		641.00	2782.00	26961.00
BURNShurtz	Show	9 A
BigManch	Show	6 10
Flop
		7 J 10
Turn
		K
River
		K
BigManch	Win	Two Pairs, Kings and 10s	2782.00		29743.00

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
baddunn	Small blind		50.00	50.00	4895.00
BURNShurtz	Big blind		100.00	150.00	1982.50
	Your hole cards	J J
kelly05	Fold
diaper10	Fold
NoLuckDuck	All-in		1697.50	1847.50	0.00
mrparish82	Fold
baddunn	Fold
BURNShurtz	All-in		1982.50	3830.00	0.00
BURNShurtz	Unmatched bet		385.00	3445.00	385.00
BURNShurtz	Show	J J
NoLuckDuck	Show	8 8
Flop
		5 4 8
Turn
		10
River
		10
NoLuckDuck	Win	Full House, 8s and 10s	3445.00		3445.00

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
dave1948	Small blind		150.00	150.00	635.00
BURNShurtz	Big blind		300.00	450.00	1140.00
	Your hole cards	Q A
mdc1960	Fold
PACU1	Raise		600.00	1050.00	6215.00
karasova10	Fold
dave1948	Fold
BURNShurtz	All-in		1140.00	2190.00	0.00
PACU1	Call		840.00	3030.00	5375.00
BURNShurtz	Show	Q A
PACU1	Show	K Q
Flop
		6 9 J
Turn
		7
River
		10
PACU1	Win	Straight to the King	3030.00		8405.00

not bad for one hour and 4 tourneys, it is a joke how im so unlucky.

scouse_red

I played a live tourney on Sunday Night at a local casino, looks down at JJ level 4,the short stack shoves, it folds round to me in BB I call villian shows K 10 board A 2 Q 4 J bang goes a fair proportion of my stack

level 7 1st hand after break facing a raise and left with 9 BB looks down at QQ shoves original raiser calls it off we go to showdown 

oppo has KQ board 10 2 4 J 9 and there we have it out I go 

What i'm trying to show you here Burn is that these things happen all the time online AND live......... online it seems like it happens a lot more simply because of the volume of hands played

it's simple It's poker and we have to accept that these things happen sometimes, and yes it's not nice but the fact remains it happens............

you gotta dust yourself down and carry on in the next tourney, or, consider taking a break if it is tilting you

BURNShurtz

I'm only playing in the mini tonight, hopefully my luck will change.

BURNShurtz

and there goes the mini

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
xxMONSTERx	Small blind		75.00	75.00	3645.00
bulgy	Big blind		150.00	225.00	9560.00
	Your hole cards	A Q
Gunn777	Fold
BURNShurtz	Raise		450.00	675.00	6617.50
WOOLY67	Fold
LENNYC	Fold
xxMONSTERx	Call		375.00	1050.00	3270.00
bulgy	Call		300.00	1350.00	9260.00
Flop
		Q 7 3
xxMONSTERx	Check
bulgy	Check
BURNShurtz	Bet		1350.00	2700.00	5267.50
xxMONSTERx	Fold
bulgy	Raise		2700.00	5400.00	6560.00
BURNShurtz	All-in		5267.50	10667.50	0.00
bulgy	Call		3917.50	14585.00	2642.50
bulgy	Show	Q 2
BURNShurtz	Show	A Q
Turn
		9
River
		2
bulgy	Win	Two Pairs, Queens and 2s	14585.00		17227.50

BURNShurtz

its annoying, poker is the only game ( that I can think of right now ) where you can be better than your opponents but still consistently lose. I was told a long time ago that the most important thing in poker was to get your money in ahead, sometimes you will lose but variance and luck will even out and in the long run you will come out on top.........
biggest lie ever to be told that one.
I've played for a long time, I've posted a lot of hands in here and I would take a quick guess and say that I probably get my chips in ahead 95% of the time which over the time and games played should of been enough time for that variance to even out, it hasn't, and probably never will do.
I had a good little think about this, and I am pondering what should I do? what are my options?
do I just keep going and prey that one day it might change ( highly unlikely after 10 years )
should I just give up ( I love playing )
its so difficult to decide, I don't play to win money if that makes sense, I just want to be 1st.

while I am writing this I'm asking myself, how can I make myself more lucky, is there some trick I am missing? if so, what can it be. do I need to start playing more hands, take on the " any two will do " style of play I've seen it work for a lot of players on here ( mainly against me )
 people say as above to just dust yourself off and keep going, its hard to keep going when you have taken it for 10 years.
oh well I am going to grab a coffee, sit down and have a really good think and then decide is there really any point in me trying to persevere at something when it is very clear that no matter what I do, I will be the loser in the end. 

weecheez1

how you doing mate i honestly think you should pack it in the game seems to be making you misserable i have only been playing for a few months and i think its great not just the winning the buzz when your behind and getting there spotting your opponent has a one outer he hits its all part of it but if its not fun try something else plo8 is good but not if you dont like getting outdrawn lol what im trying to say is its more important to be happy

TeddyBloat

If it's really true that when you gii  you are ahead 95% of the time then that is a HUGE leak.

You are likely passing up on far too many bluff spots, value spots and semi bluffing opportunities.

Over a ten year period you simply aren't unluckier than others. It's not the reason you bust.

If you are a losing player, its not due to run bad.

Tikay10

Teddy makes a very good point, sometimes we need to bluff, or get it in bad, there are not enough good hands to just get it in good every time.

Consistent winning players - MattBates, Wacko, TommyD, GSmith, StayOrGo & many others get the SAME CARDS as we do, but they win more often. Why? Imagination, flair, gamble, knowledge, hard work in learning the game, & the knowledge that waiting to get it in good 95% of the time is not good enough.

I do think that much of this is in your mind. It's nothing to do with "always running bad", you run the same as everyone else. You do.
 
If you cannot accept that, maybe you should give the game a rest for a while, or give up. For us amateurs, there is absolutely no point playing if we are not enjoying it - really enjoying it.
 
If we can help with anything as to your game, just ask, many of us want to help solve this problem. And we can. 

Chin up fella.   

FeelGroggy

When i first started playing poker I was similar to you. I played really tight, never bluffed and whenever i lost with the best hand felt a huge injustice. The more I learnt about the game the more i realised that actually my luck wasn't the problem it was me. I played way too tight, didn't understand pot odds. I remember once losing to king queen to king 8 at a micro stake games on 888. I was outraged at the time, but looking back he had a trivially easy call with the pot odds he had- i only jammed 4 or 5 blinds.

Looking at the hands you post it seems you play extremely straight forwardly. You raise big pre with strong hands and bet big on the flop when you catch a nice piece. If I was playing against you it'd be quite easy to adjust to you. I could happily fold if you bet big and i didnt have a strong hand, and could bluff when you dont bet big as I know you arent as strong for example. Also you seem extremely tight so I could probably raise your big blind with any two cards and expect to make profit, either by you folding pre or folding to a bet on the flop.

Its completely fine to play the game and not try and improve at it. I take the game seriously and do a lot of work away from the tables, eg discussing hand histories, watching training videos. But you need to recognise that if your losing over 10 years you have some leaks in your game. 

I've improved a lot but there's still a lot of room for improvement. Even the very best players on the site can still improve. 

Until the start of last year I played £11 tournaments maximum and did quite well and thought I was really good. When one of the top tournament players on the site, 'StayOrGo' coached me, I started to realise how limited my knowledge was.

You say your unlucky. With poker you'll find the more you practice the 'luckier' you'll get :-)

P.S the reason you feel so hard done by is because your so tight. you usually get it in good as for you to put the money in you have to have a really strong hand so inevitably your gonig to be ahead way more often then not. You will be losing too many chips waiting for these good hands and good opportunities to make profit I would imagine :-)

HENDRIK62

Not sure if you really want any thoughts but.....

1. consider 3 betting or flatting rather than getting it all in (when you shove he has no option, then its a flip), on that flop with a good bet he is making a mistake to continue, but probably will, so the outcome may be the same, but played out differently.

2.Your squeeze is too small to thin the field, I am actually surprised anyone folded. Given the action on the flop you have to think he has something.

3 and 5 you have less than 4 blinds, I am probably calling you with ATC so there is a very good chance the cards will be live and you get coolered.

4 Unlucky

6 You bet full pot, I guess budgy put you on a flush draw and butchered it, but if that plays out even as little as 10 times, you win the majority comfortably.

FeelGroggy

Your account reads this: 

Male,  Age: 36,  brecon s.wales About Me: tried being happy, doesn't work. I am the most unlucky player in the world ever. FACT. and I have proved it Rate your poker?: Seven ♦ Two ♠ - Sub-Zero How long have you been playing poker?: 10+ years Your best poker moment?: any time i have won One piece of poker advice?: luck wins. its true, so called good players are just very lucky players.

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Here's the truth. You are not the most unlucky player in the world. You just have problems with your game. You feel like your unlucky because your so tight when going all in so have the best hand more often then not, but in reality your too tight to profit from the game.  The last bit is also false. I imagine if you look up some of the players who get lucky against you with weird hands they will be losing players. Watch some of the best MTT players on the site. Stayorgo, bearlyther, Jordz16, Chicknmelt, MattBates to name a few. Watch how they accumulate chips. A lot of the time its by being aggressive, by winning lots of pots without showdown. These players dont have to rely on winning all ins to accumulate chips. They are aggressive with both there weak and strong hands, so its impossible to know if they're bluffing or have it. This is why they are winning players, not by chance.

GL in future at the tables. Hopefully you take some advice on board. If you play for fun just enjoy the game, why not experiment with a few more hands. Being tight and waiting for top hands, lets face it, isn't as fun!

stokefc

fantastic post feelgroggy stayorgo has done a brilliant job so in essence you have to learn to earn and learn hard

nicknat118

I must say I have often felt like burnzy, losing with best hand quite a lot, I have come to realise though that it has to be a fault in my game rather than just bad play/luck on the part of others.  it's difficult to force yourself to change when it's ingrained to play hands a certain way, IE strong hands only, you just gotta keep going if you love the game, god knows it's cost me quite a few quid over the years.
I would like to know how I go about getting some coaching from one of the better players on the site though, or luckier players as Burnzy calls them haha.

BURNShurtz

was going to give up, but thought I would play in two tourneys tonight, the mini bh later and the £1000 bh at 18:45..
different days, different tournament
same guy turns up on the table and takes me out with any two will do.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
INTHEDARK	Small blind		20.00	20.00	2390.00
bulgy	Big blind		40.00	60.00	3900.00
	Your hole cards	K J
BURNShurtz	All-in		435.00	495.00	0.00
bertisek1	Raise		830.00	1325.00	3750.00
flopandgo	Fold
Pokeher12	Fold
INTHEDARK	Fold
bulgy	All-in		3900.00	5225.00	0.00
bertisek1	Fold
bulgy	Unmatched bet		3110.00	2115.00	3110.00
bulgy	Show	Q 8
BURNShurtz	Show	K J
Flop
		Q A 5
Turn
		5
River
		Q
bulgy	Win	Full House, Queens and 5s	2115.00		5225.00

just more proof.


let get a few things down while their on my mind..
I see a lot of you keep mentioning the same names of good players, believe me, I have watched them all and I see it with my own eyes. they don't lose flips, very rarely get out drawn, get a lot of good cards, generally, they just run a lot better.
 
now I know that this is not what you all see, but that's my opinion on what I have.
I also understand why it is hard for you to see it from my side even with the proof I have shown over the years, you judge just by the few hands on one or two posts, you should read all my posts ever written on here, 5 years worth of being the most unlucky player ever.
you cant argue with facts.
im going to play in tonight's mini, I guarantee you, I will get knocked out by some random two cards who will hit...

BURNShurtz

In Response to Re: i dont expect anything other:

I must say I have often felt like burnzy, losing with best hand quite a lot, I have come to realise though that it has to be a fault in my game rather than just bad play/luck on the part of others.  it's difficult to force yourself to change when it's ingrained to play hands a certain way, IE strong hands only, you just gotta keep going if you love the game, god knows it's cost me quite a few quid over the years. I would like to know how I go about getting some coaching from one of the better players on the site though, or luckier players as Burnzy calls them haha.
Posted by nicknat118

its hard to argue that poker is not all luck.

BURNShurtz

In Response to Re: i dont expect anything other:

how you doing mate i honestly think you should pack it in the game seems to be making you misserable i have only been playing for a few months and i think its great not just the winning the buzz when your behind and getting there spotting your opponent has a one outer he hits its all part of it but if its not fun try something else plo8 is good but not if you dont like getting outdrawn lol what im trying to say is its more important to be happy
Posted by weecheez1

im feeling great..............
I play Omaha a lot anyways, all forms.

BURNShurtz

In Response to Re: i dont expect anything other:

Teddy makes a very good point, sometimes we need to bluff, or get it in bad, there are not enough good hands to just get it in good every time. Consistent winning players - MattBates, Wacko, TommyD, GSmith, StayOrGo & many others get the SAME CARDS as we do, but they win more often. Why? Imagination, flair, gamble, knowledge, hard work in learning the game, & the knowledge that waiting to get it in good 95% of the time is not good enough. I do think that much of this is in your mind. It's nothing to do with "always running bad", you run the same as everyone else. You do.   If you cannot accept that, maybe you should give the game a rest for a while, or give up. For us amateurs, there is absolutely no point playing if we are not enjoying it - really enjoying it.   If we can help with anything as to your game, just ask, many of us want to help solve this problem. And we can.  Chin up fella.    
Posted by Tikay10[/QUOT


you are writing in a way that suggest I only lose a hand now and again and its just a little bit of variance.
tikay, ive got pretty much 5 years worth of tourney exit hands in the forum, its not like its a really small sample size. 2000 odd tournements.

BURNShurtz

In Response to Re: i dont expect anything other:

If it's really true that when you gii  you are ahead 95% of the time then that is a HUGE leak. You are likely passing up on far too many bluff spots, value spots and semi bluffing opportunities. Over a ten year period you simply aren't unluckier than others. It's not the reason you bust. If you are a losing player, its not due to run bad.
Posted by TeddyBloat

that makes no sense, would you be writing exactly the same paragraph if I was getting in 95% of the time behind?
how can getting your chips in when ahead be bad?  

TeddyBloat

You want to be getting your chipsnin good, but you dont know your opponents hand

Take a simple example.

Villain bets half pot on river. You have a hand that is behind 70% of villains range.

That is you wil only win 30% of the time when you call.

Do you call or fold?


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When you bluff you by definition are never ahead when called. So when you are ahead 95% ahead time when you bet all in and are called it is almost certian that you arent bluffing enough.

If you have a pot size bet left on the turn you only need villain to fold 50% of the time to break even when you have a pure bluff. That means that even with 0% equity when called you can get it in bad 45% of the time and show a profit compared to checking. When you have a draw (semi bluff) you need even  fewer folds.

---------

When you value bet river, you only need to be ahead of more than 50% of villains calling range. On earlier streets that changes. But you should be willing to gii v villain for value when you have beat most of his range. Again you can be behind 40% of the time and show profit.

If you are ahead 95% of the time when you bet all in and are called then you arent value betting thin enough.

---------

Tightness when bluff catching, missing thin value, passing up bluffing spots.

All common and easily plugged leaks.

Being ahead 95% of the time when all in is indicative of huge leaks.

---------

We've all got 1000's of exit hands. Even the crushers.

People like Matt Bates or TommyD arent timid. They Hoover up chips, hunt for +ev spots and arent at risk nearly as often as us mere mortals.

They have the same luck as you and i,  are dealt the same cards as you and I. Its just they are better players than us.

That's the why they have more success.

You can put it down to wretched luck and hate the game, hate yourself etc etc. But you're only fooling yourself.

Glgl

mumsie

Hi Burnzhurts.

I can in no way say anything remotely as good as the people that have offered advice above in this thread.

I can see where the problem might be and dont hate me for this.

Look at the most recent hand you posted.  YOu got it in good KJo v Q8o

I also know your op_ponent here....

You had 8.3 BB your op_p had 87.1 BB. Its  A B/H....do you really  expect your op_ponent to fold your shove   ?

I assume you started with 2,000 chips.  you lost 495 in that hand..how did you lose the other 1400 ?

Maybe here lies the bigger  problem.

Edit * the abbreviation of Opponent is not allowed !!

FeelGroggy

I've tried to help but I feel its in vain. Declaring you run worse than everyone else you've ever known is just a cop out and allows you to play under the delusion that you don't need to work on your game. I see that in the past 1800 games you are down approximately £1000, which is fine, but its just further proof that the problem lies in your game and not bad luck.