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So what do you think is a bad beat?

TheEdge949TheEdge949 Member Posts: 5,686
edited March 2016 in Brags, Beats and Variance
I am amazed when I read on various forums including some of the allegedly superior ones the hands and actions that some people consider to be a "bad beat". Constant whining about villians calling for pot odds of 4/1 etc with about 10 outs or about how the Aces we were slowplaying got run down coz we allowed runner runner to get there.

To my mind Ive only ever suffered ONE really bad beat in about 15 years of playing both online and live and that was when  was sitting at a £1 £2 pot limit hold em game. 10 player full ring

I was sb and posted as did bb, utg straddles to £4 utg+1 makes it £8 next guy "oh its like that eh ok" £16, problem is the next two players are very rich and love to gamble so soon its £64 and we havent seen a card yet.

the next guys in line dont think that straddling any more is wise and we get our cards.

I wait until its folded to me and tbh I wasnt expecting any action before then and Lordy I have the Aces. I pot it and watch as it folds round to Richie Rich he folds but his mate the only player left to act insta repots with the famous " im only doing this coz theyre suited"

Now lets be honest I WANT that action so I shove the remainder of my stack in and he calls and tables 7d 3d I flip my Ad As over and the flop comes 7h 7s 3c. Not quite sure what followed but it certainly wasnt another Ace.

Now I feel justified in thinking that thats a bad beat but perhaps the mathematicians will prove me wrong.

Anyway what do you feel is a bad beat.?

Yours in poker
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  • mumsiemumsie Member Posts: 7,991
    edited March 2016
    Meh.
    Standard.
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  • mumsiemumsie Member Posts: 7,991
    edited March 2016
    Meh.
    Standard.
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  • craigcu12craigcu12 Member Posts: 3,960
    edited March 2016
    I split the big losses into 3
    coolers-things like set v set, AA vKK that sort of thing.

    sickeners-you've got a monster are sitting ahead. You both get it in correctly or odd just a fraction too high and that bad card comes. ie KK beats AA with his set, weaker high card flush is now straight flush or lower set gets quads...

    Bad beats- two big stacks going all in and one a very good hand the other hand a  piece of junk calling  extremely bad odds , hands like your AA v 73s
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  • stokefcstokefc Member Posts: 7,829
    edited March 2016
    Don't worry about the jam sandwiches m8 just don't eat them :)
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  • F_IvanovicF_Ivanovic Member Posts: 2,410
    edited March 2016
    Your hand is a standard bad beat. Nothing special. Flopping a FH for him was nice, but he could have won a number of ways - and still had 17.7% chance of winning the hand. That's slightly more than the chance of you correctly predicting the number on a dice roll. You can't have played much poker at all if this is the worst beat you've ever seen.

    A really bad beat is getting it in with flopped quads (say 55 on 552) against an overpair like 88 and turn/river going runner runner to give the other guy quads. Or any other hand where it has to go runner/runner perfect with only 2 cards. The chance of that is about 0.1%
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  • churchy18churchy18 Member Posts: 1,850
    edited March 2016
    would say this one has to count as a bb for my opponent runner runner  you decide what is worse:@}
    tiga123 Small blind   25.00 25.00 1775.00
    leeze Big blind   50.00 75.00 1095.00
      Your hole cards
    • 5
    • A
    • 4
    • K
    		     
    nin777 Raise   100.00 175.00 3090.00
    karma Call   100.00 275.00 1895.00
    wetpaper Fold        
    churchy18 Call   100.00 375.00 1485.00
    tiga123 Fold        
    leeze Call   50.00 425.00 1045.00
    Flop
       
    • Q
    • 10
    • 10
    		     
    leeze Check        
    nin777 Check        
    karma
    		 Check        
    churchy18 Check        
    Turn
       
    • J
    		     
    leeze Check        
    nin777 Check        
    karma Bet   425.00 850.00 1470.00
    churchy18 Call   425.00 1275.00 1060.00
    leeze Fold        
    nin777 Fold        
    River
       
    • Q
    		     
    karma Bet   1275.00 2550.00 195.00
    churchy18 All-in   1060.00 3610.00 0.00
    karma Unmatched bet   215.00 3395.00 410.00
    karma Show
    • Q
    • 10
    • 8
    • 7
    		     
    churchy18 Show
    • 5
    • A
    • 4
    • K
    		     
    churchy18 Win high Royal Flush 3395.00   3395.00
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  • churchy18churchy18 Member Posts: 1,850
    edited March 2016
    worse still a while back seen tikay flop quads get it all in and on the river villain hit better quads cant really beat that for a one outer :@}

    This one must be up there as well. the 1 and only out he could hit and he gets it:@} great game poker
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    alexis74 Small blind   25.00 25.00 1855.00
    metz13 Big blind   50.00 75.00 1875.00
      Your hole cards
    • 6
    • A
    • 3
    • A
    		     
    BOWLFISH Fold        
    churchy18 Raise   175.00 250.00 1690.00
    xxxxx Raise   600.00 850.00 1390.00
    imwinning Call   600.00 1450.00 1410.00
    alexis74 Fold        
    metz13 Fold        
    churchy18 All-in   1690.00 3140.00 0.00
    xxxxx All-in   1390.00 4530.00 0.00
    imwinning Call   1390.00 5920.00 20.00
    churchy18 Show
    • 6
    • A
    • 3
    • A
    		     
    xxxxx Show
    • A
    • 2
    • 7
    • A
    		     
    imwinning Show
    • Q
    • K
    • Q
    • Q
    		     
    Flop
       
    • 4
    • 2
    • 8
    		     
    Turn
       
    • 3
    		     
    River
       
    • Q
    		     
    imwinning Win high Three Queens 2960.00   2980.00
    churchy18 Win low 6-low 2835.00   2835.00
    xxxxx Win low 7-low 125.00   125.00
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  • TheEdge949TheEdge949 Member Posts: 5,686
    edited March 2016
    In Response to Re: So what do you think is a bad beat?:
    Your hand is a standard bad beat. Nothing special. Flopping a FH for him was nice, but he could have won a number of ways - and still had 17.7% chance of winning the hand. That's slightly more than the chance of you correctly predicting the number on a dice roll. You can't have played much poker at all if this is the worst beat you've ever seen. A really bad beat is getting it in with flopped quads (say 55 on 552) against an overpair like 88 and turn/river going runner runner to give the other guy quads. Or any other hand where it has to go runner/runner perfect with only 2 cards. The chance of that is about 0.1%
    Posted by F_Ivanovic


    Hey Ive played lots of poker I said its my worst beat not the worst Ive seen which for the record was flopped quad aces going down to a royal at Broadway Casino in a fairly heated £5 - £10 nlhe game cant remember the exact amount but at least a months average wage in the middle.

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  • craigcu12craigcu12 Member Posts: 3,960
    edited March 2016
    churchy

    Hand 1 is prime example of where I separate the sickeners and bad beats.

    you might have beat him with a runner runner but it's only known after showdown. During play he's gifted you a free turn card which has provided you with a nut straight meaning your now making sensible call know he could be holding trips or a weaker straight and so comes that unfortunate sickener card giving you the royal which you feel glad about on he showdown.
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  • ShaunyTShaunyT Member Posts: 619
    edited March 2016
    Personally i think the way poker hands are displayed on tv and on other websites make people think beats are worse than they are. Even if you get it in 95% to win the hand, 1 in 20 times you lose. Not that big of a deal when you think about it.

    i would say if you get it in and you are 98% to win its a bit of a beat, but that's just like, my opinon man....
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  • mumsiemumsie Member Posts: 7,991
    edited March 2016
    I agree shaun.  52 cards in a pack. .its not totally amazing when a wrong card hit's. It really is no big deal. 
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  • Nuggy962Nuggy962 Member Posts: 1,104
    edited March 2016
    do not think AA all in pre vs 73 is a bad beat- pretty much anyting that gets all in pre is just poker - yeah odds can be in you favour but thats joys of getting it in pre,

    Worse I have seen on here was when a guy posted his hand - he had 77

    flop comes 77 5 or something similar (Was les than a 7) and gets all in and villian shows 88

    Perfect perfect 8 for gg.

    The famous AA v AA in the million dollar buy in where guy gets 4 to flush is bad too seing as the size of mtt.

    Most "bad beat" posts come from people loosing a hand at a stake they can not afford to play in! FACT






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  • TheEdge949TheEdge949 Member Posts: 5,686
    edited March 2016
    I have to smile at some of the responses from you guys as it seems some on here fail to practice what they preach.

    Twice since I did the O.P. I have been absolutely mullered for getting it in behind and catching once with 10 10 against Q Q in the 23.15 deepstack  which I went on to win, oppo shoved for 17 bb and I call with nearly 30 bb and apparently this means that I have some form of mental deficiency inherited from generations of inbreeding. 

    Second time round was when I wasnt paying attention in a bounty hunter and called instead of folding and then watched my 4 9 off run down the K K of Mr Incadescent with rage whose lack of descriptive vocabulary only served to further his ire, although to be honest thanking him for the bounty was perhaps a little incendiary in nature

    The abuse both times was merciless and I therefore have decided that there is no such thing as a donk call or bad play and varience is simply a word we use to save explaining our own lack of skill, luck and -EV play and can therefore answer my own question with some certainty.

    A bad beat is something we get when "mad Frank" the local psycho decides that weve pushed in front at the chippy, spilled his pint of "Mental Buttock Clencher" in the local or enjoyed carnal knowledge of his female relatives.

    Yours in Poker.


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  • goldongoldon Member Posts: 9,045
    edited March 2016
    Hi  glad it wasn't real money.   "verdict"  never fast play or slow play  Aces. ?
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    oleer Small blind   £25.00 £25.00 £2175.00
    ARLI Big blind   £50.00 £75.00 £4950.00
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • A
    		     
    loney186 Raise   £100.00 £175.00 £4612.50
    abs Fold        
    goldon Raise   £150.00 £325.00 £1050.00
    geee07 Fold        
    oleer Fold        
    ARLI Call   £100.00 £425.00 £4850.00
    loney186 Raise   £525.00 £950.00 £4087.50
    goldon All-in   £1050.00 £2000.00 £0.00
    ARLI Call   £1050.00 £3050.00 £3800.00
    loney186 All-in   £4087.50 £7137.50 £0.00
    ARLI Call   £3512.50 £10650.00 £287.50
    ARLI Show
    • 7
    • 10
    		     
    loney186 Show
    • 9
    • 9
    		     
    goldon Show
    • A
    • A
    		     
    Flop
       
    • K
    • A
    • 8
    		     
    Turn
       
    • 9
    		     
    River
       
    • 9
    		     
    loney186 Win Four 9s £10650.00   £10650.00
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