In Response to Re: IMPORTANT - Happy Hours REVISED as of today. : I can't see how that would be possible, even with x3 points as the 10% priority bonus is based on rake not points? Posted by Phantom66
I am talking about the big rakeback guys. If you hit 50k points you get 20%.
I am prob wrong as i just added the 20% weekly plus the 20% monthy and tripled it. But i am sure its close to 100% rb
In Response to Re: IMPORTANT - Happy Hours REVISED as of today. : A big +1 to this On homepage still has this Happy Hours Earn triple poker points... ♠ On all Cash and Sit & Go games ♠ 3 hours of happiness every day ♠ Every day for a whole month More Details Posted by churchy18
This has been changed now Brian, thanks for pointing it out. And Paul, obv.
Right guys, I've got a few things to say which I think are totally fair and haven't been picked up on yet. I would hope cash game players agree with me on these points, but I don't expect to hear from anyone on the cash side because they are all probably doing cartwheels right about now...
Before I get in to what I need to say, I want to thank Sky for the amazing promotions they do. I for one have benefited greatly in the past from these because I work hard and put series hours in to capitalise on things like 'The Sky Premier League' and 'Happy Days' etc. I also want to say I benefited ridiculously well from last weeks treble points, and I had a feeling something like this would happen. I was prepared for this promo to be cancelled or reduced to double, and I would have been totally fine about that if it was done in a fair manor.
What has happened that a lot of previous posters haven't picked up on is this... Sky have reduced it to double on SNG because a fair few big cash grinders, e.g JMcCririck, have come over and started playing the £55-£110 DYM's where they are raking less money than they would on cash games. The DYM games have been bouncing the last few days, and they have attracted all kinds of players who don't generally play them. So, to make more money, Sky have basically decided to kill the DYM games by getting rid of treble points as they know people who are chasing for the Premier League won't play DYM for double when they can play the Spin Up tables on treble points.
So what is going to happen this week?
Casual players who mix it between SNG and cash will see that it's treble in cash but only double in SNG, and will therefore play cash.
Versatile professionals who are chasing for the Premier League will also play cash above SNG.
DYM players will have their £110 games basically killed off & £33-£55 games will drop in volume.
The Premier League will be dominated by cash players because they have the extreme advantage of earning treble points over SNG's doubles. Not only will they earn more points, but they will get more action than SNG players as their games will be less appealing.
Now I know that poker sites are in it to increase the amount of rake being paid and they are looking out for their best interests here, and I am always okay when things like this happen, as long as all players are treated with respect. SNG players have been treated terribly here. Happy days is usually massive value because it's for SNG's only, and cash players have their 'Rewards Accelerator' days at a separate time so it's totally fair for both types of players. Double points here isn't even that good because like I said earlier people will be playing cash for treble instead, so the action won't be that good on SNG.
So what would make it fair?
An unpopular suggestion would be to drop cash games to double too. I genuinly don't want to endorse this, but it would make things even.
SNG's get 5-6 hours of double points instead of 3, so players actually have a window of time where they prefer to play SNG over cash games as it won't be treble points for cash at the same time.
To summarise my thoughts... SNG grinders will lose 40-50% of the money they would have been expecting to earn, while cash players will go on to dominate the Premier League and get more action. I would hope people read this and believe what I am saying is fair, although I do understand people will consider my opinions to be bias as I play SNG's for a living.
I hope the people in charge of this promotion read what I've said and take my point about giving SNG players an extra 2-3 hours of double points, or move the time slot of double points for SNG's to say 6pm-9pm so we don't have to compete with the treble points on the cash tables.
One last thing, as I definitely want to finish on a positive... I've played poker on Sky for 7-8 months now and I've got to say in all honestly I've been looked after so well by everyone. I made a load of friends in Vegas and managed to make a living playing on Sky, and I won't forget any of that and I am very grateful for the opportunites I've been given to basically live the dream. But I just have to be honest and say that on this instance my high expectations of this company have some what disappointed me.
Thanks for taking the time to read this long post.
Right guys, I've got a few things to say which I think are totally fair and haven't been picked up on yet. I would hope cash game players agree with me on these points, but I don't expect to hear from anyone on the cash side because they are all probably doing cartwheels right about now... Before I get in to what I need to say, I want to thank Sky for the amazing promotions they do. I for one have benefited greatly in the past from these because I work hard and put series hours in to capitalise on things like 'The Sky Premier League' and 'Happy Days' etc. I also want to say I benefited ridiculously well from last weeks treble points, and I had a feeling something like this would happen. I was prepared for this promo to be cancelled or reduced to double, and I would have been totally fine about that if it was done in a fair manor. What has happened that a lot of previous posters haven't picked up on is this... Sky have reduced it to double on SNG because a fair few big cash grinders, e.g JMcCririck, have come over and started playing the £55-£110 DYM's where they are raking less money than they would on cash games. The DYM games have been bouncing the last few days, and they have attracted all kinds of players who don't generally play them. So, to make more money, Sky have basically decided to kill the DYM games by getting rid of treble points as they know people who are chasing for the Premier League won't play DYM for double when they can play the Spin Up tables on treble points. So what is going to happen this week? Casual players who mix it between SNG and cash will see that it's treble in cash but only double in SNG, and will therefore play cash. Versatile professionals who are chasing for the Premier League will also play cash above SNG. DYM players will have their £110 games basically killed off & £33-£55 games will drop in volume. The Premier League will be dominated by cash players because they have the extreme advantage of earning treble points over SNG's doubles. Not only will they earn more points, but they will get more action than SNG players as their games will be less appealing. Now I know that poker sites are in it to increase the amount of rake being paid and they are looking out for their best interests here, and I am always okay when things like this happen, as long as all players are treated with respect. SNG players have been treated terribly here. Happy days is usually massive value because it's for SNG's only , and cash players have their 'Rewards Accelerator' days at a separate time so it's totally fair for both types of players. Double points here isn't even that good because like I said earlier people will be playing cash for treble instead, so the action won't be that good on SNG. So what would make it fair? An unpopular suggestion would be to drop cash games to double too. I genuinly don't want to endorse this, but it would make things even. SNG's get 5-6 hours of double points instead of 3, so players actually have a window of time where they prefer to play SNG over cash games as it won't be treble points for cash at the same time. To summarise my thoughts... SNG grinders will lose 40-50% of the money they would have been expecting to earn, while cash players will go on to dominate the Premier League and get more action. I would hope people read this and believe what I am saying is fair, although I do understand people will consider my opinions to be bias as I play SNG's for a living. I hope the people in charge of this promotion read what I've said and take my point about giving SNG players an extra 2-3 hours of double points, or move the time slot of double points for SNG's to say 6pm-9pm so we don't have to compete with the treble points on the cash tables. One last thing, as I definitely want to finish on a positive... I've played poker on Sky for 7-8 months now and I've got to say in all honestly I've been looked after so well by everyone. I made a load of friends in Vegas and managed to make a living playing on Sky, and I won't forget any of that and I am very grateful for the opportunites I've been given to basically live the dream. But I just have to be honest and say that on this instance my high expectations of this company have some what disappointed me. Thanks for taking the time to read this long post. Posted by The_Reflex
Hi,
I don't agree with all of that, but I do respect the fact you have added balance to the post.
Not unreasonably, you write from the perspective of a big SNG player, & right now, you feel aggrieved that it is "unfair" on you guys.
Just 15 minutes ago, over on the Prio Board, a chap with the alias "GregUK" made an equally balanced post, though on another subject, a different Promo. He is an MTT player though, & he feels hard done by that MTT players are unfairly treated in his view. (I could & will debate that, as I have in the past, but it can wait for now). Quite difficult to get something that equally pleases everyone.
Anyway, your post will be sent up to Sky Towers in the next few minutes for their perusal. I doubt they'll change anything, but you never know. TimmyRaRa did make a similar point about maybe extending the 2X Hours.
If I hear back from the Office, I'll let you know.
Thanks for being as understanding as possible, given where you sit.
Right guys, I've got a few things to say which I think are totally fair and haven't been picked up on yet. I would hope cash game players agree with me on these points, but I don't expect to hear from anyone on the cash side because they are all probably doing cartwheels right about now... Before I get in to what I need to say, I want to thank Sky for the amazing promotions they do. I for one have benefited greatly in the past from these because I work hard and put series hours in to capitalise on things like 'The Sky Premier League' and 'Happy Days' etc. I also want to say I benefited ridiculously well from last weeks treble points, and I had a feeling something like this would happen. I was prepared for this promo to be cancelled or reduced to double, and I would have been totally fine about that if it was done in a fair manor. What has happened that a lot of previous posters haven't picked up on is this... Sky have reduced it to double on SNG because a fair few big cash grinders, e.g JMcCririck, have come over and started playing the £55-£110 DYM's where they are raking less money than they would on cash games. The DYM games have been bouncing the last few days, and they have attracted all kinds of players who don't generally play them. So, to make more money, Sky have basically decided to kill the DYM games by getting rid of treble points as they know people who are chasing for the Premier League won't play DYM for double when they can play the Spin Up tables on treble points. So what is going to happen this week? Casual players who mix it between SNG and cash will see that it's treble in cash but only double in SNG, and will therefore play cash. Versatile professionals who are chasing for the Premier League will also play cash above SNG. DYM players will have their £110 games basically killed off & £33-£55 games will drop in volume. The Premier League will be dominated by cash players because they have the extreme advantage of earning treble points over SNG's doubles. Not only will they earn more points, but they will get more action than SNG players as their games will be less appealing. Now I know that poker sites are in it to increase the amount of rake being paid and they are looking out for their best interests here, and I am always okay when things like this happen, as long as all players are treated with respect. SNG players have been treated terribly here. Happy days is usually massive value because it's for SNG's only , and cash players have their 'Rewards Accelerator' days at a separate time so it's totally fair for both types of players. Double points here isn't even that good because like I said earlier people will be playing cash for treble instead, so the action won't be that good on SNG. So what would make it fair? An unpopular suggestion would be to drop cash games to double too. I genuinly don't want to endorse this, but it would make things even. SNG's get 5-6 hours of double points instead of 3, so players actually have a window of time where they prefer to play SNG over cash games as it won't be treble points for cash at the same time. To summarise my thoughts... SNG grinders will lose 40-50% of the money they would have been expecting to earn, while cash players will go on to dominate the Premier League and get more action. I would hope people read this and believe what I am saying is fair, although I do understand people will consider my opinions to be bias as I play SNG's for a living. I hope the people in charge of this promotion read what I've said and take my point about giving SNG players an extra 2-3 hours of double points, or move the time slot of double points for SNG's to say 6pm-9pm so we don't have to compete with the treble points on the cash tables. One last thing, as I definitely want to finish on a positive... I've played poker on Sky for 7-8 months now and I've got to say in all honestly I've been looked after so well by everyone. I made a load of friends in Vegas and managed to make a living playing on Sky, and I won't forget any of that and I am very grateful for the opportunites I've been given to basically live the dream. But I just have to be honest and say that on this instance my high expectations of this company have some what disappointed me. Thanks for taking the time to read this long post. Posted by The_Reflex
Great post Liam.
I like the idea of 7.00pm-12pm double points on Sng's
In Response to Re: IMPORTANT - Happy Hours REVISED as of today. : Great post Liam. I like the idea of 7.00pm-12pm double points on Sng's Posted by TimmyRaRa
In Response to Re: IMPORTANT - Happy Hours REVISED as of today. : I am talking about the big rakeback guys. If you hit 50k points you get 20%. I am prob wrong as i just added the 20% weekly plus the 20% monthy and tripled it. But i am sure its close to 100% rb Just worked it out around 80% rb maybe thats alot Posted by stuarty117
It is not right to multiply the monthly bonus by 3 as the extra points do not affect the rakeback which is based on rake not points.
In Response to Re: IMPORTANT - Happy Hours REVISED as of today. : It is not right to multiply the monthly bonus by 3 as the extra points do not affect the rakeback which is based on rake not points. Posted by Phantom66
Yea i know thats y i said i am prob wrong. Think 80% is more like it including all the priorty benefits sky werent making alot.
Not one for posting on the forum often but the reflex or Liam hits it spot on I was going to post something similar, I cleared my month for 3 weeks of hard grinding DYMs in combination with the premiership promo. Now the cash grinders have a huge advantage over any sit and go player in that promotion unless they put insane insane volume in.
I don't want to sound ungrateful but you can't just advertise triple points all month then change it because your not making as much from it as you first expected, and yes they will still be making money off it. I'll personally be back to mtt grinding tonight because of it. I can predict they will add an hours play to sngs to try minor correction but it's still not fair.
Just my thoughts Liam's post was much better and I'm not being ungrateful I just want a level playing field for rake races and such. Sky can see my volume last week I probably played more games than anyone on the site so it's not like I want it on easy street and just moaning for no reason.
In Response to Re: IMPORTANT - Happy Hours REVISED as of today. : Hi, I don't agree with all of that, but I do respect the fact you have added balance to the post. Not unreasonably, you write from the perspective of a big SNG player, & right now, you feel aggrieved that it is "unfair" on you guys. Just 15 minutes ago, over on the Prio Board, a chap with the alias "GregUK" made an equally balanced post, though on another subject, a different Promo. He is an MTT player though, & he feels hard done by that MTT players are unfairly treated in his view. (I could & will debate that, as I have in the past, but it can wait for now). Quite difficult to get something that equally pleases everyone. Anyway, your post will be sent up to Sky Towers in the next few minutes for their perusal. I doubt they'll change anything, but you never know. TimmyRaRa did make a similar point about maybe extending the 2X Hours. If I hear back from the Office, I'll let you know. Thanks for being as understanding as possible, given where you sit. Posted by Tikay10
Thanks Tikay. I don't want to look greedy which is why I've tried to word it fairly (In my opinion everything I said is fair). I'm not just sticking up for myself but I'm speaking on behalf of all SNG players. They are all thinking what I am saying, especially full time grinders.
The problem I have is why should we settle for being treated as second class customers because we play SNG and we don't rake as much as the spin up boys? We still rake £1,000's and should be treated equally. Every current promotion, as it stands, is bias towards cash players. I know you're too professional to get in to an argument with me about this, but at the same time I know that you know I'm correct in what I'm saying.
They have the opportunity to earn treble points, we don't. 1-0 cash poker.
They therefore have it easier in the Premier League promotion. 2-0 to cash poker.
They now have the traffic from casual players and versatile pro's because their games are now more appealing. 3-0 to cash poker.
You can't disagree with them 3 statements above, can you?
I'm not having a go at you Tikay, you've had the regrettable job of having to give us the bad news, I understand that. I'm just pointing out that them 3 points above are all facts, and we definitely deserve to be given an equal opportunity to win The Premier League and to earn treble points etc.
Good post flex, didn't even cross my mind how the extra points for cash during the same hours will drive all the action towards cash , so sng grinders have the double blow of less points and less action. As a side point in regards to the 'priority' promotion it essentially ends sng players hopes of keeping up with the cash grinders as well for the next two weeks, I understand sky is a business and have to rectify a mistake if it is costing too much money, but the lack of foresight that this may occur when offering such a promotion is extremely dissapointing and dealing with the mistake by just stating the promo has been changed with no detailed explanation as to why they felt this is necessary is baffling. I agree at least ensuring the sng double points doesn't clash with the cash triple points or making both structures the same amount of points would be something as at least action would stay the same as usual, but this feels like a real blow as a high volume sng grinder.
I play mainly MTTs and satellites so not a great big grinder like most of you guys. I was disappointed to see the treble points were only for S&G players and cash players with MTTs excluded. However I decided I'd just have to give S&Gs a decent try for a week and see how I got on. I discovered I quite liked them as to me there were almost the same as FT of a satellite game which I'm used to playing. However I'm not and never will be a cash player as I can't quite get into the mindset of cash poker. I've very disappointed that this promotion has been curtailed to double points for S&Gs and nothing for MTT players.
Can't understand how a business can pro actively promote this fab treble points promo and then do an about turn less than half way through the month. To be honest it leaves a bit of a bad taste.
No reflection whatsoever on you Tikay - you don't deserve any flack for any of it - in fact I'd guess you're probably a tad disappointed yourself but can't quite say it.
Ive no problem with this (I know I'm in the minority) But Id prefer the points are reduced than Sky taking a loss and shutting down altogether (bit drastic perhaps) or if they tried recouping the loss by increasing rake.
Sky is by far the most enjoyable site for me and I hope it continues to make profits as I would hate to be forced to move to another site.
Even if it does make amateurish mistakes from time to time.
I play the small stake dyms and the new points system in general has seen the rake back I get pretty much halved and in given in the form of tokens (earn about 400 points each week). This triple point promo went a little way to make up for it so it's a bit of a kick in the teeth to see it reduced.
Whole system just doesn't have the same incentive to put in the same volume anymore (for me anyway).
Here's my 2 cents as a micro SNG player.... I appreciate this affects me like a drop in the ocean compared to the real grinders/pro's who will lose out serious £ compared to my pennies but thought I'd give a view from both ends of the spectrum. As a newbie I've not played here much I joined in June/July to get PT4 for another site and never played much maybe two weeks sporadically to get 50 points for the freerolls.I saw the premiership promo but didn't bother with it as with my stakes and volume I thought it probably pointless.I'm disillusioned with the pillaging of the "major" site I played on by it's new owners so as Sky was my only other active poker account I thought I'd give it a try.I was delighted when I logged on to see this upcoming promo and was excited for it.Instead of going for the 50 points I thought I might get a £2.30 token...bonus.I quickly got that and thought if I "grind" I could get to 500 points and £5 so I did.I played far too many tables (I'm used to 2 max) and was down but got the £5 and had fun so I thought to myself "this week I'm going to go for 1000 points and £12.50"... I was going to play most of the day every day to achieve this and more tables when the happy hour was on.I've barely ever played cash so when I saw the reduction I haven't bothered.I appreciate Sky is a business and needs to make money etc but I can't understand how it was not researched thoroughly before the promo was offered? I would have paid twice as much rake this week as last week if there are a few players like me it mounts up but as I say it's miniscule to what it must have realised it's losing to the big boys... In summary double is better than nothing but I'm still disappointed.I too don't blame Tikay as he's also affected and just the messenger.I had the pleasure of meeting him at my 1st ever live APAT tourney in Newcastle many moons ago and was a bit starstruck then.I will continue to play most of the time here and I love the forum aspect, the community feel, competitions(I've been lucky enough to win two this week) etc and I'm hoping for more good promos in the future and I'm hoping this is just a rare blip on my otherwise enjoyable Sky poker experience!
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Hi,
I don't agree with all of that, but I do respect the fact you have added balance to the post.
Not unreasonably, you write from the perspective of a big SNG player, & right now, you feel aggrieved that it is "unfair" on you guys.
Just 15 minutes ago, over on the Prio Board, a chap with the alias "GregUK" made an equally balanced post, though on another subject, a different Promo. He is an MTT player though, & he feels hard done by that MTT players are unfairly treated in his view. (I could & will debate that, as I have in the past, but it can wait for now). Quite difficult to get something that equally pleases everyone.
Anyway, your post will be sent up to Sky Towers in the next few minutes for their perusal. I doubt they'll change anything, but you never know. TimmyRaRa did make a similar point about maybe extending the 2X Hours.
If I hear back from the Office, I'll let you know.
Thanks for being as understanding as possible, given where you sit.
Great post Liam.
Sorry it's a bit TLDR
Had sky announced 2x points, everyone says 'great promo'
Because they went from 3x to 2x everyone is 'that sucks'
Tough spot