In Response to Re: Would it be possible to have a nightly Omaha 8 B/H? (2 added to schedule for 7:15pm & 9:15pm tonight £200 & £300 GTD) New suggestion : Agree with tikay that the pl08 liquidity can only stretched so far. Having seen the £5.50 b/h doing well the £11 b/h struggles to meet its guarantee, personnally i would say one of two things could be done either 1)reduce the guarantee for know until hopfully numbers pick up (still early days). 2)copy the early b/h £200 gaurantee £5.50 buy in. Markycash makes a valid point about attracting new plays with lower stake pl08 b/h maybe fit in a £3.30 or £2.20 b/h but would not want to see too many pl08 b/h just for them to struggle to hit numbers. Think the introduction of the pl08 b/h is a big postive for pl08 and well done to Markycash for pushing for this and scouse red for setting up a league table, Keep up the good work guys. Posted by safc71
Thanks and agree with pretty much all of that!
I don't think the £11 is doing 'bad' personally, the guarantee is just a tad high IMO. If we said a few weeks ago we could have an £11 PLO8 nightly MTT that attracted between 22-41 runners every night I don't think too many would complain. It looks questionable in relation to the guarantee but there definitely seems to be people regularly turning up for it.
Could it be a turbo? Could it be a little earlier? Could it be another £5.50? Could it just be a £200 GTD? All valid suggestions IMO.
The lower buy in ones placed somewhere in the gap during the day between PLO8 MTT's seem like a penalty kick. There isn't much in the way of other oh8 traffic to negatively impact on and offering a cheap way for people to try the game or people who would prefer to play at that time could only help grow the other tourneys and increase the overall player pool/liquidity. No need to rush in though as you said, would be fine to try one around 4 or 5 pm and see how it pans out.
Trial and error and all that
Just my opinion and Sky's call at the end of the day obviously. I don't doubt they will do good by the ploppers, they have been brilliant listening to the feedback regarding the oh8 games!
Don't think there is much chance of Sky Poker holding that £300 Guarantee much longer. The risk/reward for the size of the player base is all out of kilter.
Think it's likely they will either reduce the G'tee or make it a £5 instead of £10.
Personally I would like to see them try turbos and also make the £11 one earlier. I am very limited in how much poker I can play in an evening so if they were both turbos and the £11 started at 8.15 or 8.30 then I would probably be able to play both in an evening.
Unfortunately I don't think Sky is run purely for my benefit so I'm guessing we will just see the justifiable drop in the £11 guarantee to £200.
I think it is the buy in rather than the time that is putting people off the £11 game so I've made it another £5.50. If this keeps missing then I'll make it a faster structure.
I think it is the buy in rather than the time that is putting people off the £11 game so I've made it another £5.50. If this keeps missing then I'll make it a faster structure. Posted by Sky__James
this is what sets Sky Poker apart IMO the players and the decision makers working together to make things happen
In Response to Re: Would it be possible to have a nightly Omaha 8 B/H? (2 added to schedule for 7:15pm & 9:15pm tonight £200 & £300 GTD) New suggestion : this is what sets Sky Poker apart IMO the players and the decision makers working together to make things happen hats off to you James Posted by scouse_red
Agreed Chris! There are not many/any sites with such brilliant dialogue between the players and the site.
I did mention the guarantee several times as I feared losing the £11 altogether like this. If the guarantee had been £200 from the start though and the tourney had got between 22-41 numbers every night, never missing the guarantee then I think it would have been viewed by almost everyone as a very solid success for a £11 MTT in a niche game that went on till around midnight?
It is only really when compared to the £300 guarantee it looks like it struggled so much.
The 2 main variables which obviously affect numbers for this are 'Buy in level' and 'Time of day'. I don't think it is one in isolation that is the main factor but rather an interaction effect between these 2 factors.
If there was a £2.20 in the big gap during the day in PLO8 MTT's at around 4 or 5pm and that attracted 75+ runners then it would probably suggest that a £11 PLO8 MTT getting 22-41 runners would be in line with expectations and relatively 'decent'.
Thanks once again for your efforts James and hopefully this works out. I am fully aware that Sky do not need to take any of these suggestions on board and hats off to all concerned for doing so!
In Response to Re: Would it be possible to have a nightly Omaha 8 B/H? (2 added to schedule for 7:15pm & 9:15pm tonight £200 & £300 GTD) New suggestion : Hi Uncle Pom, Not for this month, no. No decision has been made as to whether prizes will be offered next month, or if they are, what value they might be. Posted by Tikay10
Cheers Gramps, does this mean that ,as there is no £11 mitt , the prizes are now 10 £5.50 tokens?
I think it is the buy in rather than the time that is putting people off the £11 game so I've made it another £5.50. If this keeps missing then I'll make it a faster structure. Posted by Sky__James
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this will suit me better, recenty just lost my job so will suit my bankroll.
In Response to Re: Would it be possible to have a nightly Omaha 8 B/H? (2 added to schedule for 7:15pm & 9:15pm tonight £200 & £300 GTD) New suggestion : like this will suit me better, recenty just lost my job so will suit my bankroll. Posted by UrABawBag2
In Response to Re: Would it be possible to have a nightly Omaha 8 B/H? (2 added to schedule for 7:15pm & 9:15pm tonight £200 & £300 GTD) New suggestion : like this will suit me better, recenty just lost my job so will suit my bankroll. Posted by UrABawBag2
In Response to Re: Would it be possible to have a nightly Omaha 8 B/H? (2 added to schedule for 7:15pm & 9:15pm tonight £200 & £300 GTD) New suggestion : Cheers Gramps, does this mean that ,as there is no £11 mitt , the prizes are now 10 £5.50 tokens? Posted by pomfrittes
That needs some thought, Uncle Pom.
As I discussed in e-Mails with Marky, I want to avoid the heavy admin that goes with lots of requests from me to the Office for Free Entries. Think you won 5 x £11 entries, which would translate to 10 x £5 entries, & that means 10 requests from me to the Office, which all need manually inputting.
In a way, it'd be far easier if you took a Main Event entry as part of your prize, but of course the idea was to give the entries to the O8 MTT's.
I'll need to have a think on this one mate. I really do want to avoid sending up Free Entry requests every day if I can help it, as the guys in the office get a bit tired of all my bitting & bobbing requests.
The value of your prizes is, of course, unchanged.
In Response to Re: Would it be possible to have a nightly Omaha 8 B/H? (2 added to schedule for 7:15pm & 9:15pm tonight £200 & £300 GTD) New suggestion : That needs some thought, Uncle Pom. As I discussed in e-Mails with Marky, I want to avoid the heavy admin that goes with lots of requests from me to the Office for Free Entries. Think you won 5 x £11 entries, which would translate to 10 x £5 entries, & that means 10 requests from me to the Office, which all need manually inputting. In a way, it'd be far easier if you took a Main Event entry as part of your prize, but of course the idea was to give the entries to the O8 MTT's. I'll need to have a think on this one mate. I really do want to avoid sending up Free Entry requests every day if I can help it, as the guys in the office get a bit tired of all my bitting & bobbing requests. The value of your prizes is, of course, unchanged. Posted by Tikay10
Thanks for the reply, I had spoken to Mark and was going to play the £11 Mtt Monday to Friday next week. If it makes it easier for you to book requests in one go I will happily use all tokens Monday to Friday next week.
However, if it is better to use the £55 in 1 go I don't mind and will have a look at the schedule and see what takes my fancy.
In Response to Re: Would it be possible to have a nightly Omaha 8 B/H? (2 added to schedule for 7:15pm & 9:15pm tonight £200 & £300 GTD) New suggestion : Thanks for the reply, I had spoken to Mark and was going to play the £11 Mtt Monday to Friday next week. If it makes it easier for you to book requests in one go I will happily use all tokens Monday to Friday next week. However, if it is better to use the £55 in 1 go I don't mind and will have a look at the schedule and see what takes my fancy. Posted by pomfrittes
i'd agree that the league prizes would be better suited to support the main events, either the 33 or the 55's
as with the thurs league, requesting all those 4x free entries for multiple players every week whilst trying to no make mistakes and cater for players being away is asking alot.
shame the 11 has had to be dropped. i thought the idea was to draw players in with a bigger buy in. IMO a lowe GTD would be ok.
T tokens would be a great solution to the admin issue.
In Response to Re: Would it be possible to have a nightly Omaha 8 B/H? (2 added to schedule for 7:15pm & 9:15pm tonight £200 & £300 GTD) New suggestion : i'd agree that the league prizes would be better suited to support the main events, either the 33 or the 55's as with the thurs league, requesting all those 4x free entries for multiple players every week whilst trying to no make mistakes and cater for players being away is asking alot. shame the 11 has had to be dropped. i thought the idea was to draw players in with a bigger buy in. IMO a lowe GTD would be ok. T tokens would be a great solution to the admin issue. Posted by suzy666
Regarding whether the buy in or time is the factor in the £11 not meeting the £300 guarantee...
A semi-quick statistical test like an Analysis of variance test and stepwise regression may indicate if the buy in level and/or time of the tourney were the significant factors. It may also indicate percentage wise how much the time and/or buy ins were responsible and help give an idea of where guarantees could be set.
I don't have the raw data and haven't been asked so haven't done this. I would guess timing and buy in level are very roughly equally to blame so would estimate the average number of entries in the new £5.50 would be around 42 with a deviation from the mean of around 10 either way so would estimate numbers would normally be between 32 and 52. This would mean missing the guarantee some nights and comfortably exceeding it on other nights, much the same as was the case in the £11.
We will obviously find out when the games start and the proof will be in the pudding. I hope they blitz the guarantee every single night as I would be very happy to have more PLO8 MTT's A simple reduction in the guarantee might have done the trick though, some of the highest entry figures were when the £11 had a £100 guarantee.
Just my tuppence worth, and not a criticism as I know you lads put a lot into this.
I think we potentially diluted the entry for the 9.15 by adding the 7.15 at a lower buy in before the 9.15 had time to get established, guarantee could have been kept lower and in time we would have attracted some of the H/E boys over, which was happening.
A lot simply won't play a £5 b/h
9.15 is an ideal time for me personally, I always find the early starts difficult and generally only play the freerolls around that time.
guarantee could have been kept lower Posted by HENDRIK62
Agreed, The £11 had 41, 40 and 38 entrants when it was just a little £100 GTD. I don't think the guarantee mattered as much as in a regular game as there are bounties to play for from the get-go. A tourney at that time for PLO8 is unlikely to have big numbers. If the guarantee had been left the same or raised to £150 and was then always meeting it, it would no doubt have been viewed as very steady success.
I mentioned the new £5.50 should average around 42 runners and generally get between 32-52 runners, missing the guarantee some nights and not others. It has had 45 & 35 runners on the first 2 nights and missed the guarantee once and hit it once. If it was returned to an £11 £100 GTD it would have no trouble meeting this, not be a risk to Sky, and on most nights would completely smash this several fold.
Both the time and buy in are factors. In the same way it is harder to get higher numbers later in the evening; the converse will be true, a lower buy in £2.20 around 4 or 5:pm would get more runners than even the £5.50 @ 7:15pm and really help develop the player pool for OH8 generally (including for the 2 later MTT's).
None of this is a moan at Sky, it really really isn't. Sky have listened to the players on this one and been willing to try stuff out and support a little league. All brilliant stuff and a massive thanks to James, Tikay and Sky for this. It just looks clear from my personal perspective that if the £11 was left at £100 guarantee or increased slightly, and a £2.20 added to the massive gap in the PLO8 schedule around 4-5PM... We would very likely have 3 of them running, all crushing their guarantees, and have PLO8 players on the site a little earlier in the evening than usual.
If we had...
5:15pm £2.20 PLO8 BH with £80 GTD
7:15pm £5.50 PLO8 BH with £150-£200 GTD
9:15pm £11 PLO8 BH with £100-£150 GTD
I would be willing to take on prop bets that they all hit their guarantee 95-99% of the time and eat my hat, run through the PLO8 DYM naked or whatever else if they failed in any way. Or not run through the PLO8 DYM lobby naked, whatever the preference would be
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I don't think the £11 is doing 'bad' personally, the guarantee is just a tad high IMO. If we said a few weeks ago we could have an £11 PLO8 nightly MTT that attracted between 22-41 runners every night I don't think too many would complain. It looks questionable in relation to the guarantee but there definitely seems to be people regularly turning up for it.
Could it be a turbo? Could it be a little earlier? Could it be another £5.50? Could it just be a £200 GTD? All valid suggestions IMO.
The lower buy in ones placed somewhere in the gap during the day between PLO8 MTT's seem like a penalty kick. There isn't much in the way of other oh8 traffic to negatively impact on and offering a cheap way for people to try the game or people who would prefer to play at that time could only help grow the other tourneys and increase the overall player pool/liquidity. No need to rush in though as you said, would be fine to try one around 4 or 5 pm and see how it pans out.
Trial and error and all that
Just my opinion and Sky's call at the end of the day obviously. I don't doubt they will do good by the ploppers, they have been brilliant listening to the feedback regarding the oh8 games!
Don't think there is much chance of Sky Poker holding that £300 Guarantee much longer. The risk/reward for the size of the player base is all out of kilter.
Think it's likely they will either reduce the G'tee or make it a £5 instead of £10.
Unfortunately I don't think Sky is run purely for my benefit so I'm guessing we will just see the justifiable drop in the £11 guarantee to £200.
Not for this month, no.
No decision has been made as to whether prizes will be offered next month, or if they are, what value they might be.
I did mention the guarantee several times as I feared losing the £11 altogether like this. If the guarantee had been £200 from the start though and the tourney had got between 22-41 numbers every night, never missing the guarantee then I think it would have been viewed by almost everyone as a very solid success for a £11 MTT in a niche game that went on till around midnight?
It is only really when compared to the £300 guarantee it looks like it struggled so much.
The 2 main variables which obviously affect numbers for this are 'Buy in level' and 'Time of day'. I don't think it is one in isolation that is the main factor but rather an interaction effect between these 2 factors.
If there was a £2.20 in the big gap during the day in PLO8 MTT's at around 4 or 5pm and that attracted 75+ runners then it would probably suggest that a £11 PLO8 MTT getting 22-41 runners would be in line with expectations and relatively 'decent'.
Thanks once again for your efforts James and hopefully this works out. I am fully aware that Sky do not need to take any of these suggestions on board and hats off to all concerned for doing so!
That needs some thought, Uncle Pom.
As I discussed in e-Mails with Marky, I want to avoid the heavy admin that goes with lots of requests from me to the Office for Free Entries. Think you won 5 x £11 entries, which would translate to 10 x £5 entries, & that means 10 requests from me to the Office, which all need manually inputting.
In a way, it'd be far easier if you took a Main Event entry as part of your prize, but of course the idea was to give the entries to the O8 MTT's.
I'll need to have a think on this one mate. I really do want to avoid sending up Free Entry requests every day if I can help it, as the guys in the office get a bit tired of all my bitting & bobbing requests.
The value of your prizes is, of course, unchanged.
A semi-quick statistical test like an Analysis of variance test and stepwise regression may indicate if the buy in level and/or time of the tourney were the significant factors. It may also indicate percentage wise how much the time and/or buy ins were responsible and help give an idea of where guarantees could be set.
I don't have the raw data and haven't been asked so haven't done this. I would guess timing and buy in level are very roughly equally to blame so would estimate the average number of entries in the new £5.50 would be around 42 with a deviation from the mean of around 10 either way so would estimate numbers would normally be between 32 and 52. This would mean missing the guarantee some nights and comfortably exceeding it on other nights, much the same as was the case in the £11.
We will obviously find out when the games start and the proof will be in the pudding. I hope they blitz the guarantee every single night as I would be very happy to have more PLO8 MTT's
I mentioned the new £5.50 should average around 42 runners and generally get between 32-52 runners, missing the guarantee some nights and not others. It has had 45 & 35 runners on the first 2 nights and missed the guarantee once and hit it once. If it was returned to an £11 £100 GTD it would have no trouble meeting this, not be a risk to Sky, and on most nights would completely smash this several fold.
Both the time and buy in are factors. In the same way it is harder to get higher numbers later in the evening; the converse will be true, a lower buy in £2.20 around 4 or 5:pm would get more runners than even the £5.50 @ 7:15pm and really help develop the player pool for OH8 generally (including for the 2 later MTT's).
None of this is a moan at Sky, it really really isn't. Sky have listened to the players on this one and been willing to try stuff out and support a little league. All brilliant stuff and a massive thanks to James, Tikay and Sky for this. It just looks clear from my personal perspective that if the £11 was left at £100 guarantee or increased slightly, and a £2.20 added to the massive gap in the PLO8 schedule around 4-5PM... We would very likely have 3 of them running, all crushing their guarantees, and have PLO8 players on the site a little earlier in the evening than usual.
If we had...
I would be willing to take on prop bets that they all hit their guarantee 95-99% of the time and eat my hat, run through the PLO8 DYM naked or whatever else if they failed in any way. Or not run through the PLO8 DYM lobby naked, whatever the preference would be