DYM bubble,,,, what now?

davelufc

Always seem to find myself in these situations

.. Do we take a punt and risk shortie cashing?

I got 1575.   SB still to play.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
SChadders	Small blind		50.00	50.00	1790.00
MagicTrick	Big blind		100.00	150.00	705.00
	Your hole cards	Q Q
barney2631	All-in		1830.00	1980.00	0.00
davelufc ??

Phantom66

If you are on the bubble with 3 other equal stacks and equal ability you should cash 3/4 times and have 75% equity.

The shortie is not desparately short yet so it's not like you are totally locked for the cash but you must be 80%+.

We can pretty much discount action behind us.

A double up virtually guarantees the cash but lose and we are out.

We have all called and bust and folded and bust later and wished we went with qq while we had it.

I would fold as on balance we dont have better equity in this hand than we do in the game already.

weecheez1

Have to disagree with phantom here you are the second bottom stack here if the BB folds then it's could end up you or him and you would want your QQ back  barney does not have to be that strong here 

Phantom66

^^^ Good. I was expecting pelters tbh.

Already been challenged offline on this one.

In game I probably just snap call tbh unless the spidey senses put shover on AA KK for some reason.

Just thinking about the numbers we are probably something like 65-70% vs opponents range so one arguement is we would be more than happy with that as an overall cash rate so call.

Doesnt really matter we are 2nd shorty, we are roughly equal with 2 other players and the other has less than half our stack if they fold.

If we are comfortable at the table I would argue (maybe not convincgly) that our overall equity in this game is better if we fold.

HENDRIK62

I call, difficult to imagine that we have such a large edge that we shouldn't take this opportunity to cash.

stuarty117

In Response to Re: DYM bubble,,,, what now?:

I call, difficult to imagine that we have such a large edge that we shouldn't take this opportunity to cash.
Posted by HENDRIK62

agree call, turbos blinds go up so quick gotta go with it 2 orbits time you could be kicking yourself

Phantom66

My bad. Hadn't twigged it was a turbo. Agree with a call now.

davelufc

Thanks all for the replies. i forgot to mention indeed it was a turbo DYM. sry

It probably does make a big difference in the decision making

Ty Phantom, you give some great advice as do the rest of you.

Here`s how it played out,, worked out ok either way i suppose!!

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
SChadders	Small blind		50.00	50.00	1790.00
MagicTrick	Big blind		100.00	150.00	705.00
	Your hole cards	Q Q
barney2631	All-in		1830.00	1980.00	0.00
davelufc	Fold
SChadders	Call		1780.00	3760.00	10.00
MagicTrick	Fold
SChadders	Show	K K
barney2631	Show	J J
Flop
		9 Q 3
Turn
		10
River
		A
SChadders	Win	Pair of Kings	3760.00		3770.00

MattBates

In Response to Re: DYM bubble,,,, what now?:

If you are on the bubble with 3 other equal stacks and equal ability you should cash 3/4 times and have 75% equity. The shortie is not desparately short yet so it's not like you are totally locked for the cash but you must be 80%+. We can pretty much discount action behind us. A double up virtually guarantees the cash but lose and we are out. We have all called and bust and folded and bust later and wished we went with qq while we had it. I would fold as on balance we dont have better equity in this hand than we do in the game already.
Posted by Phantom66

Is this logic going to get us into trouble as we are going to fold everything and as we do this our % to cash will reduce every hand.

Phantom66

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In Response to Re: DYM bubble,,,, what now? : Is this logic going to get us into trouble as we are going to fold everything and as we do this our % to cash will reduce every hand.
Posted by MattBates

QQ is a bit of an extreme position and I have modified my thoughts on this specific hand, especially realising it was a turbo.

Obviously meta game and adjustments will be made in reg v reg situations - if our opponent thinks we are folding QQ here we are very exploitable. 

In general though with a short stack at the table we need to think carefully before calling for our tournament life v a larger stack. What I fold to an allin by a covering stack with a short stack at the table is very different to what I will open with, or call v a short stack, or indeed call v a covering stack when I am the shortie.