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Turbo DYM - What should our calling range be here?

Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
edited December 2021 in Strategy

£3 Turbo DYM.

We are on the bubble

Blinds 150/300

I am on the BB with another 660 behind

UTG folds from 2137.50 stack
Button shoves 475
SB folds leaving 2277.50 behind

I acted on my gut at the time, but should we call with any 2 here?
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    EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,021
    edited February 2017
    In Response to Turbo DYM - What should our calling range be here?:
    £3 Turbo DYM. We are on the bubble Blinds 150/300 I am on the BB with another 660 behind UTG folds from 2137.50 stack Button shoves 475 SB folds leaving 2277.50 behind I acted on my gut at the time, but should we call with any 2 here?
    Posted by Phantom66
    Yes. Need to invest 175 chips to win 1100-you are better odds than that with 3 2 off v AA. The fact that he is the shortie means that worries re bubble etc are not as relevant as in other scenarios. Similarly, SB should always call there
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    Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited February 2017
    I accept we have the odds to call with any 2.

    I did have 32o as it happens and I did call.

    Do we need to factor in our odds of cashing by

    calling and winning   I would say we only win and cash about 30% of the time here
    calling and losing     70% of the time we lose so shortie is now on 1100 and we are on 485

    folding                   we are on 660 shortie has been given a free ride to 925 chips

    edit:made a mistake on 1st posting of this as I hadnt taken off the extra 175 chips for the call.

    We are either 660 v 925 or 485 v 1100 at 150/300 blinds. We are still live, is it worth taking the 30% chance to end it now. Or put it another way does preserving out chips to be only 660 v 925 give us a better chance of cashig than the 30% if we call plus  the chance of cashing if we are 485 v 1100?

    I think it makes it quite a more marginal decision than just looking at the odds in isolation.

    I even managed to cash by making a straight I just wanted to check whether my gut instinct was correct.

    I also thought it would make a general DYM strategy point about having to call sometimes when we know we are behind and not just looking at the 2 cards in front of us.


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    chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    edited February 2017
    In Response to Re: Turbo DYM - What should our calling range be here?:
    I accept we have the odds to call with any 2. I did have 32o as it happens and I did call. Do we need to factor in our odds of cashing by calling and winning   I would say we only win and cash about 30% of the time here calling and losing     70% of the time we lose so shortie is now on 1100 and we are on 660 folding                   we are on 660 shortie has been given a free ride to 925 chips I would say this seals the deal. 660 v 925 is not much difference to 660 v 1100 at 150/300 blinds so it seems to be worth taking the 30% chance to end it now. I even managed to cash by making a straight I just wanted to check whether my gut instinct was correct. I also thought it would make a general DYM strategy point about having to call sometimes when we know we are behind and not just looking at the 2 cards in front of us.
    Posted by Phantom66
    Im thinking this is just the type of outcome that leads to a " its rigged for the regs " post. What did oppo have out of curiosity?
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    Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited February 2017
    @Chilling Opponent had 89s. For reference we are actually 32% with 32o against any 2 cards and against 89s specifically.

    @Phil - I am not sure I agree that the SB should always be calling. Not in a DYM. The 2 shorties are about to go to war (or should be) so if I were in the SB I would definitely not call with any 2. I would call fairly light given the stacks at the table, but not with 32o as I do in the BB. If the SB had called ahead of me I would have binned the 32o from the BB.

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    Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited February 2017
    Pretty sick run out - apologies to caronia
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    IOMWhite Small blind   150.00 150.00 2277.50
    Phantom66 Big blind   300.00 450.00 660.00
      Your hole cards
    • 2
    • 3
    		     
    luckymum18 Fold        
    caronia All-in   475.00 925.00 0.00
    IOMWhite Fold        
    Phantom66 Call   175.00 1100.00 485.00
    Phantom66 Show
    • 2
    • 3
    		     
    caronia Show
    • 8
    • 9
    		     
    Flop
       
    • J
    • 8
    • 4
    		     
    Turn
       
    • 5
    		     
    River
       
    • 6
    		     
    Phantom66 Win Straight to the 6 1100.00   1585.00
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    MrWh1teMrWh1te Member Posts: 963
    edited February 2017
    Yeah I am calling and checking down on this.
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    hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited February 2017
    It's close to a 'you or them' spot so any 2 in they go and try and end it now whilst you can.
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    Jac35Jac35 Member Posts: 6,477
    edited February 2017
    In Response to Re: Turbo DYM - What should our calling range be here?:
    Yeah I am calling and checking down on this.
    Posted by MrWh1te
    I think I would check down too
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