How wide should we push?

Tikay10

4 handed in a NLH DYM, we've just had a bit of an accident & are down to about 3 Bigs 4 handed, & we are in the Big Blind next hand.
 
Are we shoving any 2 here?

This happened last night when I jammed with 3-6 & somehow got there v Aces. The fella was a bit upset with me - & I get that - but it was all "really, 3-6?" sorta thing.
 
I'm pretty sure we just have to jam & hope here.

Yes, no?

Lambert180

Heavily depends on the stage/stacks for me.

If it's say 100/200....

CO on 5000

BTN on 4000

You with 700

BB with 2300

Then I just jam ATC cos the BB can't really afford to be just flicking it in with JTo etc, we will get loads of folds here despite our stack size. If it was more like...

CO on 2300

BTN on 4000

You on 700

BB on 5000

Then I think I'd fold some of the total junk like 63o cos v that stack size I just don't think we are ever getting a fold so I'd rather sacrifice the 100 chips and hope we get a hand asap/even just 1 high card or we can even occasionally get folds with our 600 chip jam 

Lambert180

Fwiw it might be fishy but I'd probably be far more inclined to jam ATC with 3-4bb if it was like 30/60 cos at 100/200 in my example we still have a reasonable chance of cashing but if you change it to 30/60 but same stack sizes we are pretty screwed and need lots of spins

Lambert180

*facepalm* 

Thought you said you were in the SB which renders everything I said useless. When we are in the BB we probably ain't getting the option to jam, we probably get walks or have to call the lot off.

If someone limped, I'd just take the free flop with trash like 63o cos we probably don't have FE over a limp anyway so might as well see a flop then fold or stick it in. 

Think I do just call off v a jam with ATC (unless there was 2 all ins in front) cos folding leaves us 1.5bb and a third of that is us paying our SB next hand

Phantom66

We are UTG Lambo

A2C for me

Lambert180

In Response to Re: How wide should we push?:

We are UTG Lambo A2C for me
Posted by Phantom66

Oh god, I'm not having a good time on here recently, can't read to save my life.

Yeah UTG I'm jamming ATC and expecting to still have half decent FE unless the BB is a huge stack. 

MattBates

Not sure its a ATC spot when we are UTG. Do we expect to get it through all that often?

Phantom66

Generally I think it is an A2C shove. Special dynamics of the stacks or ability/looseness of opponents might make me think about a fold in game. 

I think if we know/expect to get 3 callers then we may as well pass. We should have a better hand in the BB than this and could face some open folds.

E.g. If our 3bbs dont make much of a dent in any of the remaining stacks and opponents all know we are shoving any 2 here then they should all make a cooperative call.

bbMike

Not for me, depending on blind sizes. When blinds are higher lots of players quite rightly won't want to come along without some sort of hand and risk putting us back into the game, so although that means you've got some degree of FE UTG vs button and SB you maybe get called way too often by BB. When we get called by more than one opponent we're in real trouble. If we pass here we can still get walks next hand and we're pretty sure to pick up a better hand than we've just seen, we're also more likely to either be vs one opponent or be limped on a see a flop. We only need to get lucky once with high blinds to have a fighting chance.

There's definitely a folding range here for me.