Hand advice please

Metal_Dude

Hi All,

Not normally my thing so here goes.. Redacted to protect the identities of the criminals involved. I know it's easy to judge in hindsight but this just happened to me in the main event. How would you of played it differently, please be kind! Had about 40bb if I remember correctly. 

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Metal_Dude	Small blind		75.00	75.00	5100.00
A	Big blind		150.00	225.00	7526.25
	Your hole cards	· K · A
B	Raise		300.00	525.00	3982.50
C	Fold
D	Fold
E	Fold
Metal_Dude	Call		225.00	750.00	4875.00
A	Fold
Flop
		· K · 8 · 9
Metal_Dude	Check
B	Bet		450.00	1200.00	3532.50
Metal_Dude	Call		450.00	1650.00	4425.00
Turn
		· 7
Metal_Dude	Check
B	Check
River
		· 6
Metal_Dude	Bet		1237.50	2887.50	3187.50
B	All-in		3532.50	6420.00	0.00
Metal_Dude	Call		2295.00	8715.00	892.50
Metal_Dude	Show	· K · A
B	Show	· 10 · Q
B	Win	Straight to the 10	8715.00		8715.00

Summers119

In Response to Hand advice please:

Hi All, Not normally my thing so here goes.. Redacted to protect the identities of the criminals involved. I know it's easy to judge in hindsight but this just happened to me in the main event. How would you of played it differently, please be kind! Had about 40bb if I remember correctly.  Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance Metal_Dude Small blind   75.00 75.00 5100.00 A Big blind   150.00 225.00 7526.25   Your hole cards ·  K ·  A       B Raise   300.00 525.00 3982.50 C Fold         D Fold         E Fold         Metal_Dude Call   225.00 750.00 4875.00 A Fold         Flop     ·  K ·  8 ·  9       Metal_Dude Check         B Bet   450.00 1200.00 3532.50 Metal_Dude Call   450.00 1650.00 4425.00 Turn     ·  7       Metal_Dude Check         B Check         River     ·  6       Metal_Dude Bet   1237.50 2887.50 3187.50 B All-in   3532.50 6420.00 0.00 Metal_Dude Call   2295.00 8715.00 892.50             Metal_Dude Show ·  K ·  A       B Show ·  10 ·  Q       B Win Straight to the 10 8715.00   8715.00
Posted by Metal_Dude

I am not expert but this seems like a cooler. With the villan only having 20 something big blinds i would 3 bet get it in pre flop probably. Apart from this i would do exactly the same as you. The river shove is large but i still imagine he would do this with lots of hands you beat. If he was a really tight player then maybe you could hero fold but its hard with top pair top kicker. 

Summers119

In Response to Hand advice please:

Hi All, Not normally my thing so here goes.. Redacted to protect the identities of the criminals involved. I know it's easy to judge in hindsight but this just happened to me in the main event. How would you of played it differently, please be kind! Had about 40bb if I remember correctly.  Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance Metal_Dude Small blind   75.00 75.00 5100.00 A Big blind   150.00 225.00 7526.25   Your hole cards ·  K ·  A       B Raise   300.00 525.00 3982.50 C Fold         D Fold         E Fold         Metal_Dude Call   225.00 750.00 4875.00 A Fold         Flop     ·  K ·  8 ·  9       Metal_Dude Check         B Bet   450.00 1200.00 3532.50 Metal_Dude Call   450.00 1650.00 4425.00 Turn     ·  7       Metal_Dude Check         B Check         River     ·  6       Metal_Dude Bet   1237.50 2887.50 3187.50 B All-in   3532.50 6420.00 0.00 Metal_Dude Call   2295.00 8715.00 892.50             Metal_Dude Show ·  K ·  A       B Show ·  10 ·  Q       B Win Straight to the 10 8715.00   8715.00
Posted by Metal_Dude

I am not expert but this seems like a cooler. With the villan only having 20 something big blinds i would 3 bet get it in pre flop probably. Apart from this i would do exactly the same as you. The river shove is large but i still imagine he would do this with lots of hands you beat. If he was a really tight player then maybe you could hero fold but its hard with top pair top kicker. 

raggy94

Bet/ calling river seems too thin to me given the board runout. Looks like he either has a ten or he is pretending too have one and I wouldn't expect many people to bluff considering the size of your lead and the relatively small amount left behind.

hhyftrftdr

In Response to Re: Hand advice please:

In Response to Hand advice please : I am not expert but this seems like a cooler. With the villan only having 20 something big blinds i would 3 bet get it in pre flop probably. Apart from this i would do exactly the same as you. The river shove is large but i still imagine he would do this with lots of hands you beat. If he was a really tight player then maybe you could hero fold but its hard with top pair top kicker. 
Posted by Summers119

The river shove isn't actually that large and TPTK just shrinks completely on that board after that run out. We don't even beat KT now so we literally only beat KJ and KQ, yet are beaten by a whole range of 2pair combos, sets and straights. The straight is very clear and the villain doesn't seem concerned by this.

Leading river seems too thin and leaves us in a bit of a tizz if they come back over us. Can't imagine even the most aggro/loose/bad players would jam KQ/KJ with not much fold equity on such an obviously dangerous board.

Bet/calling the river seems the worst option, bet/folding, check/calling and check/folding are much more appealing to varying degrees.

Agree about 3betting pre.

Summers119

In Response to Re: Hand advice please:

In Response to Re: Hand advice please : The river shove isn't actually that large and TPTK just shrinks completely on that board after that run out. We don't even beat KT now so we literally only beat KJ and KQ, yet are beaten by a whole range of 2pair combos, sets and straights. The straight is very clear and the villain doesn't seem concerned by this. Leading river seems too thin and leaves us in a bit of a tizz if they come back over us. Can't imagine even the most aggro/loose/bad players would jam KQ/KJ with not much fold equity on such an obviously dangerous board. Bet/calling the river seems the worst option, bet/folding, check/calling and check/folding are much more appealing to varying degrees. Agree about 3betting pre.
Posted by hhyftrftdr

Tbh i didnt see it was 4 to a straight. Yeah I think just getting AK in earlier was the play and now I see it AK is a fold on the river, unless the player is super aggro then maybe you could call. 

Metal_Dude

In Response to Re: Hand advice please:

In Response to Re: Hand advice please : Tbh i didnt see it was 4 to a straight. Yeah I think just getting AK in earlier was the play and now I see it AK is a fold on the river, unless the player is super aggro then maybe you could call. 
Posted by Summers119

Cheers to all that responded. I can see things a bit clearer now, you'd be suprised how loose/agg people are on the £3/£5/£10 s&gs. All advice taken on board, thanks! 

Metal_Dude

In Response to Re: Hand advice please:

In Response to Re: Hand advice please : Tbh i didnt see it was 4 to a straight. Yeah I think just getting AK in earlier was the play and now I see it AK is a fold on the river, unless the player is super aggro then maybe you could call. 
Posted by Summers119

Cheers to all that responded. I can see things a bit clearer now, you'd be suprised how loose/agg people are on the £3/£5/£10 s&gs. All advice taken on board, thanks! 

Jac35

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I think 3betting pre is standard here. Particularly as we're in the sb and so going to be out of position for the whole hand. I like your play on flop and turn.

On the river, what hands are we trying to seek value from when we lead out?

bearlyther

Agree with others regarding 3 betting pre and river being a clear check fold.

1 thing that hasnt been mentioned is the flop play i think as played after flatting pre its pretty bad to not raise the flop to get in now.  Were pretty underrepped flatting pre and can get it in good vs qk and kj if hes cbetting qs, js and 10s he can put you on a draw given how wet and connected the board is. Theres so many turn cards in the deck that will make him slow down on the turn. Its going to be very difficult getting a lot of money in on turns and rivers.