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'Stay or Go' Style hand breakdown of a £5.50 PLO8 BH MTT - 18th 'interesting spot' (hand 109) -

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  • HENDRIK62HENDRIK62 Member Posts: 3,232
    edited May 2017
    no one has mentioned the draw to a str8 flush, ffs you're all maniacs.....
  • UrABawBag2UrABawBag2 Member Posts: 122
    edited May 2017
    pretty  much all above  posts  cover my  thoughts  reckon he  has  hit  set  of  8s.  

    whack!!!!   em  in.
  • markycashmarkycash Member Posts: 2,837
    edited May 2017
    Well I thought this was a clear fold and got out of there!

    Joking of course :) I snap reshoved as everyone suggested. They could have 88 or QQ but their range if filled with loads of stuff we beat. 

    We now have 17k+ and the chips to do some damage in this.

    Have a really busy day today so I will update with the next hand later.

    Thanks for all the replies folks!

    Results below...

    Player

    Action

    Cards

    Amount

    Pot

    Balance

    SB

    Small blind

     

    200.00

    200.00

    7590.81

    markycash

    Big blind

     

    400.00

    600.00

    8733.76

     

    Your hole cards

    ·         6

    ·         10

    ·         3

    ·         10

     

     

     

    UTG

    Fold

           

    CO

    Fold

           

    BTN

    Call

     

    400.00

    1000.00

    19007.18

    SB

    Call

     

    200.00

    1200.00

    7390.81

    markycash

    Check

           

    Flop

     

     

    ·         10

    ·         8

    ·         Q

     

     

     

    SB

    Check

           

    markycash

    Bet

     

    400.00

    1600.00

    8333.76

    BTN

    Call

     

    400.00

    2000.00

    18607.18

    SB

    Call

     

    400.00

    2400.00

    6990.81

    Turn

     

     

    ·         8

     

     

     

    SB

    Check

           

    markycash

    Bet

     

    1200.00

    3600.00

    7133.76

    BTN

    Fold

           

    SB

    Raise

     

    6000.00

    9600.00

    990.81

    markycash

    All-in

     

    7133.76

    16733.76

    0.00

    SB

    All-in

     

    990.81

    17724.57

    0.00

    markycash

    Unmatched bet

     

    1342.95

    16381.62

    1342.95

    SB

    Show

    ·         8

    ·         Q

    ·         10

    ·         9

         

    markycash

    Show

    ·         6

    ·         10

    ·         3

    ·         10

         

    River

     

     

    ·         2

     

     

     

    markycash

    Win high

    Full House, 10s and 8s

    16381.62

     

    17724.57

  • markycashmarkycash Member Posts: 2,837
    edited May 2017
    Hand 90: We get 69TK in the SB and fold.

    Hand 91: 34JQ on the BTN, we fold.

    Hand 92: 689k in the cut off, we fold.

    Hand 93:We get 238Q in the BB. Mr aggro/active does his miniopen thing, 1 caller and we also call but completely miss the flop. Everyone checks on the flop and turn so we take a stab at the pot on the river with complete air and are called by 2 pair. -2300 chips but we still have around 14.5k.

    Hand 94: 346K in the SB, we chop with Mr aggro/active in the BB.

    Hand 95: 48JQ on the BTN, we fold.

    Hand 96: 347K in the cut off, we fold.

    Hand 97: 27JQ in the BB, Mr aggro/active does the 'miniopen with anything' thing, 1 caller, we call too and flop trip Q's. We bet and are called by the other player (Mr aggro/active folds) but turn the nut boat which puts a low draw out on the board. We bet big, are called and river makes the low. We pot it to try and chase them out but our opponent reraises all in with the low and we chop it. 

    Hand 98: I will detail after this post..


  • markycashmarkycash Member Posts: 2,837
    edited May 2017
    Hand: 98

    Hand starting stack: 15.8k 

    Blinds: 200/400

    Situation: I thought this spot was interesting as it is a spot that ploppers face often. We have 8c 4s 3c 5d in the SB, our aggro/active player is in the BB (with 13.1k) and action has folded to us. We are OOP with a marginal hand. It is a hand that could trip the BB player up though and it does have some low orientation. The flop is excellent for us 2c 9s As giving us a big wheel draw. We put a controlling bet of 476 in on the flop, are snap called and see a Jh on the turn.

    So what do we do now? We still have our nice draw but there is only 1 card to come and we have nothing at the moment. Can we continue firing? Do we check hoping for a cheap river card? Check/call if he bets? Do we pot it and try and take it down?

    What is the plan and why?

    Player

    Action

    Cards

    Amount

    Pot

    Balance

    markycash

    Small blind

     

    200.00

    200.00

    15424.57

    BB

    Big blind

     

    400.00

    600.00

    12772.85

     

    Your hole cards

    ·         Qc

    ·         4s

    ·         3c

    ·         5d

     

     

     

    CO

    Fold

           

    BTN

    Fold

           

    markycash

    Call

     

    200.00

    800.00

    15224.57

    BB

    Check

           

    Flop

     

     

    ·         2c

    ·         9s

    ·         As

     

     

     

    markycash

    Bet

     

    476.00

    1276.00

    14748.57

    BB

    Call

     

    476.00

    1752.00

    12296.85

    Turn

     

     

    ·         Jh

     

     

     

    markycash

    What now?

     

    ...

    ...

    ...

  • eon1961eon1961 Member Posts: 1,795
    edited May 2017
    Check, call for pot control.Could have similar hands but would be wary of flush draw.
  • pomfrittespomfrittes Member Posts: 2,981
    edited May 2017
    In Response to Re: 'Stay or Go' Style hand breakdown of a £5.50 PLO8 BH MTT - 14th 'interesting spot' (hand 94):
    Hand: 98 Hand starting stack: 15.8k  Blinds: 200/400 Situation: I thought this spot was interesting as it is a spot that ploppers face often. We have 8c 4s 3c 5d  in the SB, our aggro/active player is in the BB (with 13.1k) and action has folded to us. We are OOP with a marginal hand. It is a hand that could trip the BB player up though and it does have some low orientation. The flop is excellent for us 2c 9s As  giving us a big wheel draw. We put a controlling bet of 476 in on the flop, are snap called and see a Jh on the turn. So what do we do now? We still have our nice draw but there is only 1 card to come and we have nothing at the moment. Can we continue firing? Do we check hoping for a cheap river card? Check/call if he bets? Do we pot it and try and take it down? What is the plan and why? Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance markycash Small blind   200.00 200.00 15424.57 BB Big blind   400.00 600.00 12772.85   Your hole cards ·          Qc ·          4s ·          3c ·          5d       CO Fold         BTN Fold         markycash Call   200.00 800.00 15224.57 BB Check         Flop     ·          2c ·          9s ·          As       markycash Bet   476.00 1276.00 14748.57 BB Call   476.00 1752.00 12296.85 Turn     ·          Jh       markycash What now?   ... ... ...
    Posted by markycash


       Interesting spot this Mark, Im guessing we are close to the FT here as we are only 4 handed ? In game I would probably be betting out here, say 5 or 600, due to the fact villain just called our flop bet. If he was strong he ,being aggro would have reraised. So put the feeler bet out hoping to get another call then pot any river.

  • markycashmarkycash Member Posts: 2,837
    edited May 2017
    Cheers for the replies eon and pom!

    I think we are closing in on the FT pom.

    I did decide to maintain the line we had been taking for several reasons...

    (a) If we check then I think we give up control of the pot and our opponent very often throws the pot bet out there. A pot bet which we will probably be calling due to the wheel outs that we have.

    (b) I think if we maintain our line and keep control of things we can make a credible bluff on the river if we miss.

    I bet 555 on the turn and the river gave us our low but not the wheel. I maintained the steady line with a 1000 bet on the river as I was a little concerned about having no high to speak of. It turns out we had been quartering but the river meant we were now quartered. Was no big deal though as we had kept pretty tight control of the pot size.

    Result below...

    Player

    Action

    Cards

    Amount

    Pot

    Balance

    markycash

    Small blind

     

    200.00

    200.00

    15424.57

    BB

    Big blind

     

    400.00

    600.00

    12772.85

     

    Your hole cards

    ·         Qc

    ·         4s

    ·         3c

    ·         5d

     

     

     

    CO

    Fold

           

    BTN

    Fold

           

    markycash

    Call

     

    200.00

    800.00

    15224.57

    BB

    Check

           

    Flop

     

     

    ·         2c

    ·         9s

    ·         As

     

     

     

    markycash

    Bet

     

    476.00

    1276.00

    14748.57

    BB

    Call

     

    476.00

    1752.00

    12296.85

    Turn

     

     

    ·         Jh

     

     

     

    markycash

    Bet

     

    555.00

    2307.00

    14193.57

    BB

    Call

     

    555.00

    2862.00

    11741.85

    River

     

     

    ·         7d

     

     

     

    markycash

    Bet

     

    1000.00

    3862.00

    13193.57

    BB

    Call

     

    1000.00

    4862.00

    10741.85

    markycash

    Show

    ·         Qc

    ·         4s

    ·         3c

    ·         5d

         

    BB

    Show

    ·         3d

    ·         4h

    ·         8c

    ·         7h

         

    BB

    Win high

    Pair of 7s

    2431.00

     

    13172.85

    markycash

    Win low

    7-low

    1215.50

     

    14409.07

    BB

    Win low

    7-low

    1215.50

     

    14388.35

  • markycashmarkycash Member Posts: 2,837
    edited May 2017
    Hand 95: 6TJQ on the BTN, we fold.

    Hand 96: 334T in the cut off, we fold.

    Hand 97: A5TJ in the BB, we get a walk (might be our first walk although not sure we wanted it lol).

    Hand 98: 477J in the SB, we fold.

    Hand 99: 89JQ on the BTN, we fold. There is debate about the strength of these types on hands but in this spot I am not interested.

    Hand 100: 5TJJ in the cut off, we fold.

    Hand 101: I will post next...
  • markycashmarkycash Member Posts: 2,837
    edited May 2017
    Hand: 101

    Hand starting stack: 14.4k

    Blind level: 300/600

    Situation: A familiar spot, we are in the BB and our active/aggro player has miniraise opened (they have 16.7k). We have Ah Td 3h 8h and the BTN with 16.9k chips has come along too creating a 3900 chip pot preflop. The flop is 5c 9h Th giving us the nut flush draw, a backdoor low draw and top pair with top kicker. It all sounds good but we have 1 pair and are OOP so we check, both players check behind, and we see a turn card of 4c. Our hand is still 1 pair but we have a low draw now to go with the nut flush draw. 

    As always then, what is the play? Are we checking again? Do we start betting? If so, how much? What if we are reraised? etc

    What is the plan, what would you do?

    Player

    Action

    Cards

    Amount

    Pot

    Balance

    SB

    Small blind

     

    300.00

    300.00

    10107.18

    markycash

    Big blind

     

    600.00

    900.00

    13809.07

     

    Your hole cards

    ·         Ah

    ·         10d

    ·         3h

    ·         8h

     

     

     

    UTG

    Raise

     

    1200.00

    2100.00

    15588.35

    BTN

    Call

     

    1200.00

    3300.00

    15605.41

    SB

    Fold

           

    markycash

    Call

     

    600.00

    3900.00

    13209.07

    Flop

     

     

    ·         5c

    ·         9h

    ·         10h

     

     

     

    markycash

    Check

           

    UTG

    Check

           

    BTN

    Check

           

    Turn

     

     

    ·         4c

     

     

     

    markycash

    What now?

     

     

     

     

  • UrABawBag2UrABawBag2 Member Posts: 122
    edited May 2017
    bet half  the  pot  doubt any  1   has a  strong  hand,  more likely  chasing  low  hands atm.  cant  really  see  you  getting re  raised either,  more  than likely  get 1  caller,     evaluate  the  river hopefully heart  comes  in  for  a  scoop. 
  • eon1961eon1961 Member Posts: 1,795
    edited May 2017
    Think I might be check calling for pot control
  • markycashmarkycash Member Posts: 2,837
    edited May 2017
    Thanks for the replies folks.

    As with many hands posted there is certainly more than 1 way to proceed and merits in the options posted.

    I personally took the following line...

    I bet around 1/4 of the pot (975) on the turn. My reasoning was that there is every chance we are already ahead but while could be scooping on the river but it may be an awkward river for betting. Therefore if we are getting any value from the hand then this may be the only opportunity. I also thought that if we rep small here then 2 possible scenarios will be likely on the river (a) we miss everything but can continue our line on the river hoping to take it down anyway and it may look more credible as we fired on the turn. Or (b) we have built the pot and hit and can look for more value, potentially against hands we are quartering.

    Both players call us on the turn, the river gives us a wheel but no flush. I lead on river for just under half the pot and both players fold.

    Results below...

    Player

    Action

    Cards

    Amount

    Pot

    Balance

    SB

    Small blind

     

    300.00

    300.00

    10107.18

    markycash

    Big blind

     

    600.00

    900.00

    13809.07

     

    Your hole cards

    ·         Ah

    ·         10d

    ·         3h

    ·         8h

     

     

     

    UTG

    Raise

     

    1200.00

    2100.00

    15588.35

    BTN

    Call

     

    1200.00

    3300.00

    15605.41

    SB

    Fold

           

    markycash

    Call

     

    600.00

    3900.00

    13209.07

    Flop

     

     

    ·         5c

    ·         9h

    ·         10h

     

     

     

    markycash

    Check

           

    UTG

    Check

           

    BTN

    Check

           

    Turn

     

     

    ·         4c

     

     

     

    markycash

    Bet

     

    975.00

    4875.00

    12234.07

    UTG

    Call

     

    975.00

    5850.00

    14613.35

    BTN

    Call

     

    975.00

    6825.00

    14630.41

    River

     

     

    ·         2s

     

     

     

    markycash

    Bet

     

    2875.00

    9700.00

    9359.07

    UTG

    Fold

           

    BTN

    Fold

           

    markycash

    Muck

           

    markycash

    Win

     

    6825.00

     

    16184.07

    markycash

    Return

     

    2875.00

    0.00

    19059.07

  • markycashmarkycash Member Posts: 2,837
    edited May 2017
    Hand 102: We get 247Q in the SB. We would probably quite often limp in or do something here but there is a raise in front so we fold.

    Hand 103: 256Q double suited on the BTN, we fold. These types of hands can be so dangerous. If we do anything preflop, the odds are that we hit some sort of draw on the flop... The quality of that draw just often plays poorly versus calling ranges at these stack depths though and it feels a bit needless.

    Hand 104: A688 in the cut off, we fold. Even if we hit the 8, that means there is 1 low card out and every chance there will be a low pot, a low pot we wont be in great shape for with the A6 aspect of our hand.

    Hand 105: 278k in the BB. Would be hard to do too much with this hand but we get a walk.

    Hand 106: I will post next...
  • markycashmarkycash Member Posts: 2,837
    edited May 2017
    Hand: 106

    Hand starting stack: 19k

    Blinds: 300/600

    Situation: We are 4 handed. Stack sizes are... Us = 19k, SB = 16.1k, BB = 14.9k & the cut off player has 8.6k. I think we must be around the FT bubble. We have the BTN and 9s 6c 2c 3h. The UTG player player limps and action is on us.

    Reads: The 'active/aggro player is in the SB. The limper is rather aptly... 'quite limpy' and we have no major reads on the other player.

    So as always, what would you do here and why?
    (As mentioned we are 4 handed, have the BTN, and the SB and BB are to act after us)

    Player

    Action

    Cards

    Amount

    Pot

    Balance

    SB

    Small blind

     

    300.00

    300.00

    15813.35

    BB

    Big blind

     

    600.00

    900.00

    14330.41

     

    Your hole cards

    ·         9s

    ·         6c

    ·         2c

    ·         3h

     

     

     

    CO

    Call

     

    600.00

    1500.00

    8007.18

    markycash

    ???

           
  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited May 2017
    It's a hand I may try and steal with 4 handed from the button but our limper has put paid to that.

    Generally I would fold, only 2 wheel cards and the 9 hand killer.

    Situationally I might consider a limp, given that we have position and it is an easy hand to get away from if potted behind.

    Have we got room to raise? Possibly, has the limper shown a tendency to limp/call or limp/fold to aggression? If it goes well and blinds fold then limper may fold (happy days). If limper calls we can we win big if we hit and take it down if they miss, especially if they appear to be hanging on for the FT bubble. 


  • pomfrittespomfrittes Member Posts: 2,981
    edited May 2017


        Agree with Phantom here, in that we are in a decent spot to steal this pot. Pot size bet would be 2700 (I think) which should get rid of the blinds, unless they are holding monsters and will cost limpy 25% of his stack to call, if his hand is good enough to call surely he would have raised instead of limping. If he does call, so be it, always in with a shot at his bounty without doing yourself irreparable damage.

    Edit. Just checked and I misread your stack, thought you had 19k. Still potting it and hoping 3 folds.
  • markycashmarkycash Member Posts: 2,837
    edited May 2017
    Won't comment on the hand until others get a chance but just to let pom know we do have 19k :)
  • pomfrittespomfrittes Member Posts: 2,981
    edited May 2017
    In Response to Re: 'Stay or Go' Style hand breakdown of a £5.50 PLO8 BH MTT - 16th 'interesting spot' (hand 106) - 2369 on the BTN with 1 limp, on the bubble, any takers?:
    Won't comment on the hand until others get a chance but just to let pom know we do have 19k :)
    Posted by markycash


        My bad, must be my age.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,876
    edited May 2017
    Calling or folding for me
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