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Should I lay this down? Today's Main Event. Hand V HAYSIE

StayOrGoStayOrGo Member Posts: 12,187
edited July 2017 in Poker Chat
Should I have laid this down?

Hand History #1177688243 (23:12 30/06/2017)PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceGODFATH100Small blind 600.00600.0058379.01HAYSIEBig blind 1200.001800.0036313.32 Your hole cardsAA   BADMANB8CFold    PADSTER13Fold    WikedFold    StayOrGoRaise 2400.004200.0076817.25GODFATH100Fold    HAYSIECall 1200.005400.0035113.32Flop  57K   HAYSIECheck    StayOrGoBet 2700.008100.0074117.25HAYSIECall 2700.0010800.0032413.32Turn  3   HAYSIECheck    StayOrGoBet 5400.0016200.0068717.25HAYSIERaise 16200.0032400.0016213.32StayOrGoFold    HAYSIEMuck    HAYSIEWin 21600.00 37813.32HAYSIEReturn 10800.000.0048613.32

Cheers,

G
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  • ajmiltonajmilton Member Posts: 1,458
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Should I lay this down? Today's Main Event:
    Should I lay this down? Hand History #1177688243 (23:12 30/06/2017) Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance GODFATH100 Small blind   600.00 600.00 58379.01 HAYSIE Big blind   1200.00 1800.00 36313.32   Your hole cards A A       BADMANB8C Fold         PADSTER13 Fold         Wiked Fold         StayOrGo Raise   2400.00 4200.00 76817.25 GODFATH100 Fold         HAYSIE Call   1200.00 5400.00 35113.32 Flop     5 7 K       HAYSIE Check         StayOrGo Bet   2700.00 8100.00 74117.25 HAYSIE Call   2700.00 10800.00 32413.32 Turn     3       HAYSIE Check         StayOrGo Bet   5400.00 16200.00 68717.25 HAYSIE Raise   16200.00 32400.00 16213.32 StayOrGo Fold         HAYSIE Muck         HAYSIE Win   21600.00   37813.32 HAYSIE Return   10800.00 0.00 48613.32 Cheers, G
    Posted by StayOrGo
    NO!
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  • StayOrGoStayOrGo Member Posts: 12,187
    edited June 2017
    Would be interested to hear Haysie's thoughts
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  • StayOrGoStayOrGo Member Posts: 12,187
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Should I lay this down? Today's Main Event:
    In Response to Should I lay this down? Today's Main Event : NO!
    Posted by ajmilton
    LOL, AJ, short and sweet opinion. :=)
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  • ajmiltonajmilton Member Posts: 1,458
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Should I lay this down? Today's Main Event:
    Would be interested to hear Haysie's thoughts
    Posted by StayOrGo
    Haysie, would say "lay it down" :-)

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  • gerardirlgerardirl Member Posts: 1,299
    edited June 2017
    Looks like Haysie got two pair, as hard and all as it is to fold I'd say you made the right call.

    I dont know Haysie though so Im sure you would have a better read on what he is likely to have when playing like that.

    Ger
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  • MICKYBLUEMICKYBLUE Member Posts: 2,035
    edited June 2017
    interesting as this is sort of mess i get myself in. me i jam on his butt in this spot on that board praying he not got a set of 3s or 64 of diamonds.
    im thinking he bluffing here mate but you still got a decent stack. not easy thats for certain
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  • markycashmarkycash Member Posts: 2,837
    edited July 2017
    I think I am checking the turn in this spot in the hope of getting some river action. 

    If Haysie has a couple of broadway cards he has at best top pair and could also have a lot of combos which completely missed. Therefore I wouldn't be too worried about losing turn value to hopefully extract value on the river (either from opponent reacting to your turn check by bluffing river or by it going check/bet/call on the river if opponent has any showdown value).

    The same can be said for a lot of pocket pairs which haven't found a set, the turn check may set you up to extract value on the river.

    While we may be losing a street of value by checking the turn we could equally be gaining a street of action if opponent was floating the flop and has air. 

    If Haysie has found a set then the turn check also controls the pot a bit.

    Also by checking the turn you may get a more solid read on what opponent has by his reaction on the river. If bet sizing or history between you make you think there is weakness on river or you have opponent on a top pair type hand you would have the option of reraising to extract maximum value still.

    Edit: just realised I didn't actually answer the question and offered a lot of thoughts which were not asked for and may seem irrelevant. Apologies for this, wasn't the intention. For me the turn is just where it all gets so difficult, hence the ramblings above.

    As played I think it is really difficult to know where you are and just boils down to a read on opponent or the history between you both.
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  • Jac35Jac35 Member Posts: 6,492
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Should I lay this down? Today's Main Event. Hand V HAYSIE:
    Looks like Haysie got two pair, as hard and all as it is to fold I'd say you made the right call. I dont know Haysie though so Im sure you would have a better read on what he is likely to have when playing like that. Ger
    Posted by gerardirl
    What kind of 2 pair combos do you see Haysie having here having called the pre flop raise?
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  • markycashmarkycash Member Posts: 2,837
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Should I lay this down? Today's Main Event. Hand V HAYSIE:
    In Response to Re: Should I lay this down? Today's Main Event. Hand V HAYSIE : What kind of 2 pair combos do you see Haysie having here having called the pre flop raise?
    Posted by Jac35
    +1

    Looks like air/top pair or a set

    I guess there are some possible 2 pair combos but not many.
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  • gerardirlgerardirl Member Posts: 1,299
    edited July 2017
    Haysie had a pair of feet and a pair of hands :).

    Ger
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Should I lay this down? Today's Main Event. Hand V HAYSIE:
    Haysie had a pair of feet and a pair of hands :). Ger
    Posted by gerardirl


    Post of the year.

    Tricky spot, tough to lay down but if you're beat you're probs in a coffin. Think a fold is good overall, though might talk myself into thinking 56dd or similar and go with it.

    Then hate myself.
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  • rabdenirorabdeniro Member Posts: 4,486
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Should I lay this down? Today's Main Event. Hand V HAYSIE:
    Should I have laid this down? Hand History #1177688243 (23:12 30/06/2017) Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance GODFATH100 Small blind   600.00 600.00 58379.01 HAYSIE Big blind   1200.00 1800.00 36313.32   Your hole cards A A       BADMANB8C Fold         PADSTER13 Fold         Wiked Fold         StayOrGo Raise   2400.00 4200.00 76817.25 GODFATH100 Fold         HAYSIE Call   1200.00 5400.00 35113.32 Flop     5 7 K       HAYSIE Check         StayOrGo Bet   2700.00 8100.00 74117.25 HAYSIE Call   2700.00 10800.00 32413.32 Turn     3       HAYSIE Check         StayOrGo Bet   5400.00 16200.00 68717.25 HAYSIE Raise   16200.00 32400.00 16213.32 StayOrGo Fold         HAYSIE Muck         HAYSIE Win   21600.00   37813.32 HAYSIE Return   10800.00 0.00 48613.32 Cheers, G
    Posted by StayOrGo
    No
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  • _kagawa__kagawa_ Member Posts: 156
    edited July 2017
    Haysie's had pocket 7s, 
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  • aussie09aussie09 Member Posts: 8,033
    edited July 2017

    the computer says no.

    ;-)


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  • darrentinodarrentino Member Posts: 9
    edited July 2017
    Did you go on to run deep in the tourney? if so, then it was a good fold. If you went out not long after in a marginal spot then it was a bad fold. Personally i think i'd just go with it most of the time, a lot of the time it would depend on how many big blinds you'd have left if you find the fold also.
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  • EnutEnut Member Posts: 3,583
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Should I lay this down? Today's Main Event. Hand V HAYSIE:
    I think I am checking the turn in this spot in the hope of getting some river action.  If Haysie has a couple of broadway cards he has at best top pair and could also have a lot of combos which completely missed. Therefore I wouldn't be too worried about losing turn value to hopefully extract value on the river (either from opponent reacting to your turn check by bluffing river or by it going check/bet/call on the river if opponent has any showdown value). The same can be said for a lot of pocket pairs which haven't found a set, the turn check may set you up to extract value on the river. While we may be losing a street of value by checking the turn we could equally be gaining a street of action if opponent was floating the flop and has air.  If Haysie has found a set then the turn check also controls the pot a bit. Also by checking the turn you may get a more solid read on what opponent has by his reaction on the river. If bet sizing or history between you make you think there is weakness on river or you have opponent on a top pair type hand you would have the option of reraising to extract maximum value still. Edit: just realised I didn't actually answer the question and offered a lot of thoughts which were not asked for and may seem irrelevant. Apologies for this, wasn't the intention. For me the turn is just where it all gets so difficult, hence the ramblings above. As played I think it is really difficult to know where you are and just boils down to a read on opponent or the history between you both.
    Posted by markycash
    Excellent post and love the fact that you realised you hadn't answered the original question so added the last bit .....and still didn't answer the question! Like many university graduates you showed a wonderful ability to turn a one word answer into a thesis, love it. (absolutely not trolling, just having a laugh as I'm sure you'll appreciate before anyone slates me).

    My opinion? Fold. I expect him to beat my one pair 90% of the time here, almost certainly a set. 


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  • rainman215rainman215 Member Posts: 1,186
    edited July 2017
    Good morning all.
    I have never folded Aces in my life, hence why i am a losing player.
    All the best.
    P.S HAS ANYONE MENTIONED THE £2.20 @ 2.15 DEEPSTACK YET. 
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  • markycashmarkycash Member Posts: 2,837
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Should I lay this down? Today's Main Event. Hand V HAYSIE:
    In Response to Re: Should I lay this down? Today's Main Event. Hand V HAYSIE : Excellent post and love the fact that you realised you hadn't answered the original question so added the last bit .....and still didn't answer the question! Like many university graduates you showed a wonderful ability to turn a one word answer into a thesis, love it. (absolutely not trolling, just having a laugh as I'm sure you'll appreciate before anyone slates me). My opinion? Fold. I expect him to beat my one pair 90% of the time here, almost certainly a set. 
    Posted by Enut
    Thanks, I think? lol

    Yeah I have to admit it, I can be full of sh%% sometimes! :)
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  • HENDRIK62HENDRIK62 Member Posts: 3,232
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Should I lay this down? Today's Main Event. Hand V HAYSIE:
    In Response to Re: Should I lay this down? Today's Main Event. Hand V HAYSIE : Thanks, I think? lol Yeah I have to admit it, I can be full of sh%% sometimes! :)
    Posted by markycash

    I call.......;-)

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  • markycashmarkycash Member Posts: 2,837
    edited July 2017
    In Response to Re: Should I lay this down? Today's Main Event. Hand V HAYSIE:
    In Response to Re: Should I lay this down? Today's Main Event. Hand V HAYSIE : I call.......;-)
    Posted by HENDRIK62
    Fair point, Paul :-P
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