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fellrun50fellrun50 Member Posts: 4
edited September 2017 in The Poker Clinic
why so many bad beats on this site honest its getting past a joke is it a computer game not sure you need skill any more on here feel this site is just taking money
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  • Jac35Jac35 Member Posts: 6,492
    edited August 2017
    I'm just glad someone has finally had the balls to come out and say what we're all thinking
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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 171,025
    edited August 2017
    In Response to bad beats:
    why so many bad beats on this site honest its getting past a joke is it a computer game not sure you need skill any more on here feel this site is just taking money
    Posted by fellrun50
    Sorry to hear you are enduring a bad run, Fell.
     
    When you say "the site is taking money", where do you think that money is going? Who actually gets that money you think they are taking?
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  • fellrun50fellrun50 Member Posts: 4
    edited August 2017
    In Response to Re: bad beats:
    In Response to bad beats : Sorry to hear you are enduring a bad run, Fell.   When you say "the site is taking money", where do you think that money is going? Who actually gets that money you think they are taking?
    Posted by Tikay10
    all I am saying there comes a time when you think come on your having a laugh with these bad beats this is not about been a bad loser i love to play poker and have played for many many years on here its just seems to me its a computer game now all i want to know is this the case
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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 171,025
    edited August 2017
    In Response to Re: bad beats:
    In Response to Re: bad beats : all I am saying there comes a time when you think come on your having a laugh with these bad beats this is not about been a bad loser i love to play poker and have played for many many years on here its just seems to me its a computer game now all i want to know is this the case
    Posted by fellrun50
    Well by definition, yes, it is a "computer game" I suppose, but if you are likening it to, say, Super Mario & all those similar children's computer games, to be fair even they have an element of skill in them, albeit one which is aimed squarely at pre-adolescents.

    Online Poker, here at Sky Poker or any other Online Site, DOES have a skill factor - that's why we see the better players winning so often. There are many MTT players here who have accumulated profits in excess of £100,000 playing relatively smallball MTT's. To make that sort of money playing an average buy in of, say, £33, suggests a high degree of skill I'd say.
     
    I had a look at your Sharky, & you seem to do OK overall. You do, however, play a lot of MTT's. MTT's are brutally high-variance. Why not take a break & play some lesser variance stuff for a while?
     
    Please remember, poker can be a brutally tough game at times. If anyone wants a test of character, playing poker always provides the answer.

    Anyway, good luck whatever you do.
     
           
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  • fellrun50fellrun50 Member Posts: 4
    edited August 2017
    In Response to Re: bad beats:
    In Response to Re: bad beats : Well by definition, yes, it is a "computer game" I suppose, but if you are likening it to, say, Super Mario & all those similar children's computer games, to be fair even they have an element of skill in them, albeit one which is aimed squarely at pre-adolescents. Online Poker, here at Sky Poker or any other Online Site, DOES have a skill factor - that's why we see the better players winning so often. There are many MTT players here who have accumulated profits in excess of £100,000 playing relatively smallball MTT's. To make that sort of money playing an average buy in of, say, £33, suggests a high degree of skill I'd say.   I had a look at your Sharky, & you seem to do OK overall. You do, however, play a lot of MTT's. MTT's are brutally high-variance. Why not take a break & play some lesser variance stuff for a while?   Please remember, poker can be a brutally tough game at times. If anyone wants a test of character, playing poker always provides the answer. Anyway, good luck whatever you do.       
    Posted by Tikay10
    hi thank you for your response still not so sure about the skill factor as for a test of character I once ran 60 Lakeland sumits 85 miles in 22 hours so I think I have plenty of that good luck with your game Tikay like you say a brake could be good for a while thank you
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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 171,025
    edited August 2017
    In Response to Re: bad beats:
    In Response to Re: bad beats : hi thank you for your response still not so sure about the skill factor as for a test of character I once ran 60 Lakeland sumits 85 miles in 22 hours so I think I have plenty of that good luck with your game Tikay like you say a brake could be good for a while thank you
    Posted by fellrun50
    Ahh, so that's the reason for the "Fellrun" alias. Well done you, that's some accomplishment (I imagine....), & as you say, it requires a heap of character.
     
    Maybe, in the poker, you have just hit "the wall".
     
    Keep plugging away bud, I'm sure it'll turn soon enough. It'll feel great when it does.
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited August 2017
    In Response to Re: bad beats:
    In Response to Re: bad beats : Well by definition, yes, it is a "computer game" I suppose, but if you are likening it to, say, Super Mario & all those similar children's computer games, to be fair even they have an element of skill in them, albeit one which is aimed squarely at pre-adolescents. Online Poker, here at Sky Poker or any other Online Site, DOES have a skill factor - that's why we see the better players winning so often. There are many MTT players here who have accumulated profits in excess of £100,000 playing relatively smallball MTT's. To make that sort of money playing an average buy in of, say, £33, suggests a high degree of skill I'd say.   I had a look at your Sharky, & you seem to do OK overall. You do, however, play a lot of MTT's. MTT's are brutally high-variance. Why not take a break & play some lesser variance stuff for a while?   Please remember, poker can be a brutally tough game at times. If anyone wants a test of character, playing poker always provides the answer. Anyway, good luck whatever you do.       
    Posted by Tikay10


    And ScouseMouse.
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  • GREGSTERGREGSTER Member Posts: 384
    edited August 2017
    Hey Fellrun,

    When you ran 60 Lakeland sumits 85 miles in 22 hours did you just rock up and complete that? I know you didn't as that is impossible, you put lots of hours training in. Maybe worth doing a bit of Poker Training to sort a few things out.

    Good luck.
    Greg.
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  • kapowblamzkapowblamz Member Posts: 1,587
    edited August 2017
    Check out this article by noahsd from a while back. http://www.nsdpoker.com/2011/01/mtt-pros/

    Note that sky tournaments are probably even higher variance due to playing shallower and the focus on bounty hunters. 

    The games here are definitely beatable but will also send you insane now and again. You may start to think you're bipolar.
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  • MattBatesMattBates Member Posts: 4,118
    edited August 2017
    In Response to Re: bad beats:
    Check out this article by noahsd from a while back.  http://www.nsdpoker.com/2011/01/mtt-pros/ Note that sky tournaments are probably even higher variance due to playing shallower and the focus on bounty hunters.  The games here are definitely beatable but will also send you insane now and again. You may start to think you're bipolar.
    Posted by kapowblamz


    I wouldnt say sky tournaments are shallower and the bh element means they are lower variance
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  • kapowblamzkapowblamz Member Posts: 1,587
    edited August 2017
    Ye you're right about the bounty variance part actually. I'd just woken up when I posted that. The shallower part is debatable. Most of the tournaments I've played at Sky have 2k starting stack. The main and others that play deeper are better obv. Some of the blind jumps mid to late tournament are too big I think.

    Exclusively 6 max tournaments makes things a bit swingier I'd imagine too.




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  • fellrun50fellrun50 Member Posts: 4
    edited August 2017
    In Response to Re: bad beats:
    In Response to Re: bad beats : And ScouseMouse.
    Posted by hhyftrftdr
     idid do this buy the bob graham book mate my name is in it the record for sumits is 78 in 24 hours good luck mate read up on this
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  • scotty77scotty77 Member Posts: 4,970
    edited September 2017
    In Response to Re: bad beats:
    Ye you're right about the bounty variance part actually. I'd just woken up when I posted that. The shallower part is debatable. Most of the tournaments I've played at Sky have 2k starting stack. The main and others that play deeper are better obv. Some of the blind jumps mid to late tournament are too big I think. Exclusively 6 max tournaments makes things a bit swingier I'd imagine too.
    Posted by kapowblamz
    Lack of antes means that shallower play is fine.

    I've played most online sites during the last 10 years, and millions of hands of cash and MTT. Gone thru some nice upswings and some pretty painful downswings too.

    Sky is by far the lowest variance of any poker site that I've played.
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  • swanstuswanstu Member Posts: 261
    edited September 2017
    when you are trying to make money (nod to another thread recently) then poker for sure can be a **** of a frustrating beast.

    Played a hu game recently where I put my opponent in all in when I was ahead 4 times in one sng - 4 times he outdrew me, and thus eventually took my money.

    Long term you may make money playing good cards, but equally you may not, may break even, may make a loss still. There's only small edges in most poker, and even good players can run so bad they lose over a long run.
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  • swanstuswanstu Member Posts: 261
    edited September 2017
    If you add in rake, that makes it even harder of course! 
    A break even player loses, and a winning player can become a break even one.
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  • kelly05kelly05 Member Posts: 19
    edited September 2017
    In Response to bad beats:
    why so many bad beats on this site honest its getting past a joke is it a computer game not sure you need skill any more on here feel this site is just taking money
    Posted by fellrun50
    isnt it amazzing how many people say the same thing about  sky poker   every forum says the same thing even when u not in hand and see the miracle river hand after hand  just watch a few tables and u will see it. i knowpeople who will never come back to sky....thats why after going for many years sky has such a poor player base. the  other day i noticed there was only 280 people playing how bad is that
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  • kelly05kelly05 Member Posts: 19
    edited September 2017
    In Response to bad beats:
    why so many bad beats on this site honest its getting past a joke is it a computer game not sure you need skill any more on here feel this site is just taking money
    Posted by fellrun50
    isnt it amazzing how many people say the same thing about  sky poker   every forum says the same thing even when u not in hand and see the miracle river hand after hand  just watch a few tables and u will see it. i knowpeople who will never come back to sky....thats why after going for many years sky has such a poor player base. the  other day i noticed there was only 280 people playing how bad is that
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