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Is there really any skill invovled in poker?

Drax1000Drax1000 Member Posts: 52
edited February 2010 in Poker Chat

Is there really any skill invovled in poker ? or is it simply like of the cards

ive seen some players get killer hands in a row and clean up tables. ive been sat at a table for at least 10 mins and not even got a picture card

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  • ACESOVER8sACESOVER8s Member Posts: 1,307
    edited February 2010

    errmmmm..... yes there is. which is how some people make a living at it :)

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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3 Member Posts: 2,418
    edited February 2010
    Long term is basically all skill.
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  • daveydaveydaveydavey Member Posts: 217
    edited February 2010
    If you play on a table where everybody is 100% even skilled and adaptible then it is down to luck of course, likewise if you are totally skilled and opponent isn't the skill will show.

    The difference between the skill of players heightens or reduces the luck factor.
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  • MadHorseMadHorse Member Posts: 257
    edited February 2010
    Unless you can predict what cards will come down then its a game of chance, 95% chance, 5% skill

    thats my theory
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited February 2010
    Sit for another ten, and another ten, and another ten, and u willll get 2 aces eventually :)


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  • CowgomooCowgomoo Member Posts: 749
    edited February 2010
    Please lock/ban/delete etc.
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  • big_mick12big_mick12 Member Posts: 210
    edited February 2010
    Nah it all luck put your money in the middle and hope for the best??? you wanna play a game??
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3 Member Posts: 2,418
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Is there really any skill invovled in poker?:
    Unless you can predict what cards will come down then its a game of chance, 95% chance, 5% skill thats my theory
    Posted by MadHorse
    If its 5% skill then there would be very little difference between any decent player... the difference would be in decimal points which would basically have no effect. Its like pure skill.
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  • torryboytorryboy Member Posts: 459
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Is there really any skill invovled in poker?:
    Long term is basically all skill.
    Posted by BlackFish3
    No it isnt, I reckon 70% luck.
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  • CowgomooCowgomoo Member Posts: 749
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Is there really any skill invovled in poker?:
    In Response to Re: Is there really any skill invovled in poker? : No it isnt, I reckon 70% luck.
    Posted by torryboy
    Well I can promise you that you are wrong.
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited February 2010
    The skill is knowing when you will and wont hit the flop!!!!
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  • MadHorseMadHorse Member Posts: 257
    edited February 2010
    If poker is skill then also Roulette must be skill also, both games where you are betting on a random outcome


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  • KidPoker3KidPoker3 Member Posts: 35
    edited February 2010
    speak to any pro in the world and im sure they will put the split anywhere from 60/40 - 70/30 in favour of skill,
    get onto blackfish!!! think he loves the 'pure skill' factor,priceless blackfish,priceless!!!
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3 Member Posts: 2,418
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Is there really any skill invovled in poker?:
    In Response to Re: Is there really any skill invovled in poker? : No it isnt, I reckon 70% luck.
    Posted by torryboy
    in the long run everyone gets the same cards, the same hands etc... so what seperates the players? Its a 5 letter word that begins with S and ends in double L.
    In the short run i would probably agree that there is a 70% figure... but its not 70% luck, its 30% luck.
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3 Member Posts: 2,418
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Is there really any skill invovled in poker?:
    speak to any pro in the world and im sure they will put the split anywhere from 60/40 - 70/30 in favour of skill, get onto blackfish!!! think he loves the 'pure skill' factor,priceless blackfish,priceless!!!
    Posted by KidPoker3
    If infinite hands are played then every possible situation will arise an infinite amount of times. So what seperates the players? 100% skill does... maximising wins with the best hand, minismising losses with the worst hand etc...
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3 Member Posts: 2,418
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Is there really any skill invovled in poker?:
    If poker is skill then also Roulette must be skill also, both games where you are betting on a random outcome
    Posted by MadHorse
    I haven't heard of any professional roulette players... have you?
    In poker you are not always betting on a random outcome, if you hold the nuts on the river you know you cannot lose and so want to get as many chips in the middle as possible.
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  • ACESOVER8sACESOVER8s Member Posts: 1,307
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Is there really any skill invovled in poker?:
    If poker is skill then also Roulette must be skill also, both games where you are betting on a random outcome
    Posted by MadHorse
    Roulette is played against the house and poker is played against other players, mathmatically the odds will alwayas be in the houses favour. When playing roulette if your number doesn't come up you can't slam on a bet and make the Croupier believe that it did, in poker you can bluff there fore the cards landing become irrelivant and you are playing the player not the actuall outcome. Because you can win with both the best and worst hands poker involves skill, as well as the fact that you can make your bets when the odds are in your favour which can not be done on true games of chance such as roulette
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  • ACESOVER8sACESOVER8s Member Posts: 1,307
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Is there really any skill invovled in poker?:
    In Response to Re: Is there really any skill invovled in poker? : I haven't heard of any professional roulette players... have you? In poker you are not always betting on a random outcome, if you hold the nuts on the river you know you cannot lose and so want to get as many chips in the middle as possible.
    Posted by BlackFish3
    There was a guy who spent months studying the bias of a set of roulette wheels and worked out the best area of the wheel to bet on. He made millions before the casino worked out that he and his family were using a system and then they swapped out the wheels (thus negating the calculations he had made). Can't remember his name but he was french i think
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  • scotty77scotty77 Member Posts: 4,970
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Is there really any skill invovled in poker?:
    In Response to Re: Is there really any skill invovled in poker? : I haven't heard of any professional roulette players... have you? In poker you are not always betting on a random outcome, if you hold the nuts on the river you know you cannot lose and so want to get as many chips in the middle as possible.
    Posted by BlackFish3
    I've come across some in the smoking areas of casinos.

    They're very friendly people, who usually ask you for a lend of 100 to get them going as they have been so unlucky lately.
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3 Member Posts: 2,418
    edited February 2010
    In Response to Re: Is there really any skill invovled in poker?:
    In Response to Re: Is there really any skill invovled in poker? : There was a guy who spent months studying the bias of a set of roulette wheels and worked out the best area of the wheel to bet on. He made millions before the casino worked out that he and his family were using a system and then they swapped out the wheels (thus negating the calculations he had made). Can't remember his name but he was french i think
    Posted by ACESOVER8s
    thats so cool! well technically roulette is just physics right? so i guess it could be all skill if you make the necessary calculations! You see Derren Brown did the roulette thing? 1 number out... jeeez, the guy's a legend... and ive been on stage in one of his live performances :D:D:D
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