Stacking off with 1010? with a raise and then an all in with 8 players left?

K0BAYASHl

Should this be a call? Yes i would have would have won, but im my position and the orgional raiser to act still is this a fold? i think there were 8 players left in a freeroll. i think i may have been 5/8.... payout went like this :

1st		£1350
2nd		£787.50
3rd		£450
4th		£350
5th		£300
6th		£250
7th		£190
8th		£120
9th		£85

The hand went like this : 

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
safc71	Small blind		4000.00	4000.00	104248.55
K0BAYASHl	Big blind		8000.00	12000.00	130260.96
	Your hole cards	10 10
thesweep16	Raise		16000.00	28000.00	76934.50
Benoooo88	Fold
myjokras00	All-in		122557.48	150557.48	0.00
safc71	Fold
K0BAYASHl	Fold
thesweep16	All-in		76934.50	227491.98	0.00
myjokras00	Unmatched bet		29622.98	197869.00	29622.98
thesweep16	Show	A K
myjokras00	Show	9 9
Flop
		3 5 8
Turn
		10
River
		A
thesweep16	Win	Pair of Aces	197869.00		197869.00

I havent been kicking my self for not calling because i honestly thought i must be behind. Plus we was so close to the final table.

Fold or should i have stacked off?

chiggypig

What a stupid payout structure, the difference between 8th and 7th is more than the difference between 5th and 4th!

I think you have to be very happy to get your stack in in this spot.

10s are a monster at these stack depths and the payout structure is very flat until top 3.

Also, the only way you don't get a nice immediate £70 ladder is if the shortest stack has the best hand than the 2nd stack has 2nd best and you get dead last.

BUT, maybe I'd be making an ICM mistake, wait for someone else to reply lol

MattBates

Havent run any numbers on the spot but I wouldnt be folding here

Angmar2626

Had to guess the stacks on the other table so may be way off but HRC says call JJ+

BUT

1) That's assuming both other players are pushing correctly

2) As someone above said, you'll ladder anyway a lot of the time

3) If you ignore ICM, TT is a profitable call in this spot. Thing with ICM is it doesn't model the value you get from being able to push people around when you have a big stack. If you call and win here you have a great shot at the top prizes with the value you get from being able to bully other people.

Apologies in advance, may be worst post ever, am super tired and already bust every tourney I was planning on playing this eve. Done by 9.30pm on a Sunday - must be new record!

windamon

In Response to Stacking off with 1010? with a raise and then an all in with 8 players left?:

Should this be a call? Yes i would have would have won, but im my position and the orgional raiser to act still is this a fold? i think there were 8 players left in a freeroll. i think i may have been 5/8.... payout went like this : 1st   £1350 2nd   £787.50 3rd   £450 4th   £350 5th   £300 6th   £250 7th   £190 8th   £120 9th   £85 The hand went like this :  Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance safc71 Small blind   4000.00 4000.00 104248.55 K0BAYASHl Big blind   8000.00 12000.00 130260.96   Your hole cards 10 10       thesweep16 Raise   16000.00 28000.00 76934.50 Benoooo88 Fold         myjokras00 All-in   122557.48 150557.48 0.00 safc71 Fold         K0BAYASHl Fold         thesweep16 All-in   76934.50 227491.98 0.00 myjokras00 Unmatched bet   29622.98 197869.00 29622.98 thesweep16 Show A K       myjokras00 Show 9 9       Flop     3 5 8       Turn     10       River     A       thesweep16 Win Pair of Aces 197869.00   197869.00 I havent been kicking my self for not calling because i honestly thought i must be behind. Plus we was so close to the final table. Fold or should i have stacked off?
Posted by K0BAYASHl

hello my friend.dont wish to comment on the way you played this hand but I don't understand why you don't know were you are in the tourney positional wise, ie, 5/8. is it not important to know this at all times?

K0BAYASHl

In Response to Re: Stacking off with 1010? with a raise and then an all in with 8 players left?:

In Response to Stacking off with 1010? with a raise and then an all in with 8 players left? : hello my friend.dont wish to comment on the way you played this hand but I don't understand why you don't know were you are in the tourney positional wise, ie, 5/8. is it not important to know this at all times?
Posted by windamon

At the time I knew exactly where I was but when posting I couldn't remember, sorry. 

windamon

In Response to Re: Stacking off with 1010? with a raise and then an all in with 8 players left?:

In Response to Re: Stacking off with 1010? with a raise and then an all in with 8 players left? : At the time I knew exactly where I was but when posting I couldn't remember, sorry. 
Posted by K0BAYASHl

ah yes of course,this is understandable my friend, no appologies necessary. thx.

K0BAYASHl

In Response to Re: Stacking off with 1010? with a raise and then an all in with 8 players left?:

In Response to Re: Stacking off with 1010? with a raise and then an all in with 8 players left? : ah yes of course,this is understandable my friend, no appologies necessary. thx.
Posted by windamon

No problem, I had both tabs open and layout structure so was very keen on position haha!

Thanks for the replies,seems I should have called. I thought I'd be kicking my self calling and seeing over pairs and telling my self " I told you so" lesson learnt. Tens are good in this spot late on. Was playing for final table and then I'd play for win. I was never going to beat tedson anyway hahah

MattBates

In Response to Re: Stacking off with 1010? with a raise and then an all in with 8 players left?:

In Response to Re: Stacking off with 1010? with a raise and then an all in with 8 players left? : No problem, I had both tabs open and layout structure so was very keen on position haha! Thanks for the replies,seems I should have called. I thought I'd be kicking my self calling and seeing over pairs and telling my self " I told you so" lesson learnt. Tens are good in this spot late on. Was playing for final table and then I'd play for win. I was never going to beat tedson anyway hahah
Posted by K0BAYASHl

Its a close spot, dont stress it too much. Also you need to think about it in terms of ranges rather than being results orientated. 

K0BAYASHl

Yeah okay thankyou. By the way it played out it looked like one villain that shoved had high PP or Ak etc and with the raiser to act behind me I was sure I was beat 3 way. I haven't played many MTT so good learning curve

rancid

it is close, shorty min raising UTG - someone shoving 15bigs and comes round to you

UTG never folding 

so,,,,

I think we call, if we win then we have a great chance to win the tournament.

LARSON7

Yep, going with this, esepcially given the payout strcuture, give yourself the best chance to win, given how top heavy the money is.

K0BAYASHl

Sigh! i shouldnt of over thought with it. 

LARSON7

You don't have long at all to think and have seen heeps of agression. a raise and a jam.

UTG presumably is strong given where he has opened from. Given all this totally understand why you folded.

It was an interesting HH. At first i thought it was from a BH, and was trying to decide what my calling range would be in this exact position if it was a Bounty Hunter.

K0BAYASHl

Cheers for that. If i was UTG and i min raised and the same guy shoved, i am probably calling with just me and him in pot.