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Now what do we do?
Tikay10
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Lots of players just register for one MTT each evening, maybe the Mini, or the Main, or perhaps a smaller Bounty Hunter.
If you bust early, what do you do then? Play something else, or just log off?
Many players just play the Main & Mini - same question, what do you do if you bust them both early? Quit, & then watch TV, talk to the dog, take the wife (or husband) for a walk, go to bed early?
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Aussie is showing just over 40,000 unique players this year. Divide this figure into the total, and this shows that each of the unique players has played around fourteen days this year.
Aussie says almost 25 games on average per unique player this year.
That wouldn't seem to be a lot.
There would seem to be a huge opportunity for Sky if the average player could be tempted to play a bit more.
there have been 40,160 unique players who have played in one of the 7,730 major tournaments played so far in 2017. of these, 26,839 have played 2 or more. this chart shows the numbers playing above a range of thresholds (please be aware of the changing scale)
i agree with Haysie's last sentence, the opportunity is huge if we encourage the average player to play more. you might see that half of all players (of major tournaments) play 3 or more. that also means that half don't.
1,001,899 entrants in 7,730 major tournaments gives an average field size if 130.
This might induce them into playing more MTT's in the long run.
Interesting figures btw Rob.
Given that the consolation prize draw has to award less than the minimum jackpot 6th/6th prize of £50, I don't think it's really going to provide any more incentive than the jackpot does already. Most of the prizes are going to go to winning regs too, given they are more likely to cash both when they have an edge on the field than the random depositor who doesn't have an edge on the field, plus they play more mains/minis per week.
Maybe instead of the £5k of freerolls throughout the week for getting 50 Poker Points, perhaps replace with all in freerolls for the main/mini on the same night? Several advantages over the original suggestion, which would be:
- People who regularly play 4nl, £2 rebuys, a few DYMs etc are going to accumulate enough points throughout the week to be able to enter, when they probably won't enter the main and mini all that often. 50 Poker Points isn't out of anyone's reach. For them, a shot at potentially ~£7k for winning both the main and mini is probably far more inviting than "I'm probably going to min cash a FR for £1", or more realistically, they have a decent run and cash the main for £35 and grab a couple of bounties, maybe make the main FT for a few hundred quid, which for a lower stakes player is still a decent night's work.
- Everyone has exactly the same chance to win a free seat (As they can obviously only enter a nightly AI freeroll once), which is good for ecology if we can get more recs in bigger MTTs and getting decent results.
- The £1k prize pool in the Rewards Freeroll each night has so many £1 and £2 prizes that are pretty insignificant to most people playing the tournament. I think it'd be better to have 10 x £33 main seats being given out instead of a bunch of £1s and £2s from 85th-300th place. Just need to look at the increase in numbers for the rewards freeroll when there's an SPT satellite seat or a roller seat for the top X runners to see the effect of this kind of prize.
- For series such as UKOPS, it puts a significant dent in reaching the guarantee if you can put 10 x £110 freeroll entries in every night for a month beginning when the schedule is released, especially when maybe 7-8 of those are unlikely to qualify/BI otherwise. You could use this same flexibility to put some extra people in SPT/VLV sats, 9pm £55 BH or one of the £11 BHs too if you wanted.
- People aren't actually playing the freeroll any more, so people who only play 1-2 tables can now register an MTT or sit at a cash table instead, rather than wasting their time playing a freeroll which Sky makes £0 in rake from. Plus if someone wins an 8pm main seat in a 7pm freeroll, they might sit at cash or play SNGs for 45 minutes while waiting for the tournament.
- People are going to log on more for an all in 'prize draw' that requires no effort whatsoever, so you're going to get more people thinking "Actually yeah I feel like playing some Poker now that I've got the Sky client open".
- From Sky's POV, giving away £5k of seats over a week is actually only giving away ~£4.5k because of MTT rake. Therefore, you could use that saving to possibly add Saturday/Sunday all in freerolls as well, or bump the prize pool up slightly if you wanted.
Quite happy when the session completes, a whole manner of interesting things to invest our time in. For me it's some comedy on TV, playing an instrument (headphones on) or a good book. Unfortunately the mrs is about to leave her job and my evenings may not be as free as I'm used to...
Pingu, learn to be more concise, perhaps have a word with markycash.
Aussie, interesting stats, what do we think causes people to play fewer than 5 mains per year? Can you look at these people's average buy-ins or interact volume of non-mains in some training way? Just wondering if these are regulars 'stepping up', people who play very rarely, or those who have played and fled.
As for SNG sats, as with many things on the site they've been trialled before with zero success.
I think it'd probably be okay to run something with added value for beginners though, at least then people are going to have to pay something to play, so there's an inbuilt deterrent for multi-accounting if you deposit and get your account funds taken when you win. Most freeroll hunter and bonus abuser types won't pay to buy in either.
+1 to SNG satellites, something I've asked for before on the forum. Don't think it's possible with the current iteration of the software though, I think was the response. Would work for all in sats too.
You just give Red Indians a bad name, Tonto.
Once I saw the name at the top of the post, I knew that it wouldn't be an idea, or a suggestion. It would just be about why everyone elses suggestion wont work.
Sky have tried SNG sats before (after being prompted by the forum), I'm pretty sure they just didn't fill and were soon binned off. If that makes me a pessimist then I really couldn't care less.
And it wasn't ''everyone elses suggestion'', just AKAscotty's suggestion that I poured my empty glass of scorn over.
He actually makes a valid point about there being a decent number of micro deepstacks that are good value for beginners to play, and that not all new Sky Poker players are new to Poker - There is certainly less value in a site providing new player freerolls than there was five or ten years ago.
Just because his view differs from someone else's, doesn't mean that he's being pessimistic, or that there's anything wrong with him expressing that in the way that he has done here. His post certainly added more to the thread than you choosing to launch your umpteenth personal attack on Hhy whilst adding nothing to the discussion.
Hhy has thick enough skin that I doubt he cares what you call him, but I very much doubt I'm alone in being bored to death of reading whatever immature grudge you have against him.
People have so many different ways to spend their time now, compared to even 5/6 years ago. Imagine trying to get such a fantastic product like Sky Poker TV on the air today, just wouldn't happen.
Trying to get into a recreational players head, who only plays the odd game here and there, is a tough space for me to get into.
Maybe a mass spam email of thousands of inactive accounts over the xmas period with a free UKOPS mini ticket or something to get things going again!
The one thing that I would say is that the lobby does look a bit dated and needs a bit of a make over. It's totally fine for me, I like it how it is. But maybe to someone who only comes on Sky now and then, it looks basic compared to other sites.