could I have played these sets any better

craigcu12

Sharing the tables with weak passive players makes getting the maximum value as a set very difficult and the time I find it most difficult of all is when I'm sitting out of position.
Here are a few instances here the players in each and every occassion a very passive and most times all I can expect is a min raise, could I have played these more aggressively on the flop and turn?

craigcu12 Small blind £0.02 £0.02 £4.48
Poplar134 Big blind £0.04 £0.06 £6.59
Pokerb69 Big blind £0.04 £0.10 £1.16
Your hole cards
J
J

z Call £0.04 £0.14 £4.03
x Raise £0.08 £0.22 £1.08
x Call £0.12 £0.34 £4.75
craigcu12 Raise £0.38 £0.72 £4.10
Poplar134 Fold
z Call £0.36 £1.08 £3.67
x Call £0.28 £1.36 £0.80
x Call £0.28 £1.64 £4.47
Flop

J
5
9

craigcu12 Bet £0.60 £2.24 £3.50
z Call £0.60 £2.84 £3.07
x Fold
x Fold
Turn

7

craigcu12 Bet £1.40 £4.24 £2.10
z Call £1.40 £5.64 £1.67
River

10

craigcu12 Check
z Check
craigcu12 Show
J
J
z Muck
9
7
craigcu12 Win Three Jacks £5.21 £7.31

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shoshoni Small blind £0.02 £0.02 £4.05
a Big blind £0.04 £0.06 £6.31
Your hole cards
5
5

x Call £0.04 £0.10 £4.07
craigcu12 Raise £0.16 £0.26 £4.45
z Call £0.16 £0.42 £5.73
shoshoni Fold
a Call £0.12 £0.54 £6.19
x Call £0.12 £0.66 £3.95
Flop

A
5
3

a Bet £0.16 £0.82 £6.03
x Call £0.16 £0.98 £3.79
craigcu12 Raise £0.48 £1.46 £3.97
z Fold
A Call £0.32 £1.78 £5.71
x Call £0.32 £2.10 £3.47
Turn

A

A Check
x Check
craigcu12 Bet £0.88 £2.98 £3.09
A Call £0.88 £3.86 £4.83
x Fold
River

7

A Check
craigcu12 All-in £3.09 £6.95 £0.00
A Fold
craigcu12 Muck
craigcu12 Win £3.57 £3.57
craigcu12 Return

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C Small blind £0.02 £0.02 £1.14
craigcu12 Big blind £0.04 £0.06 £7.15
Your hole cards
9
9

A Call £0.04 £0.10 £6.25
B Call £0.04 £0.14 £6.20
C Call £0.02 £0.16 £1.12
craigcu12 Check
Flop

K
9
2

C Bet £0.04 £0.20 £1.08
craigcu12 Raise £0.12 £0.32 £7.03
A Call £0.12 £0.44 £6.13
B Call £0.12 £0.56 £6.08
C Call £0.08 £0.64 £1.00
Turn

6

HOUNDOG Check
craigcu12 Bet £0.48 £1.12 £6.55
A Call £0.48 £1.60 £5.65
B Fold
C Fold
River

7

craigcu12 Bet £1.20 £2.80 £5.35
A Raise £2.40 £5.20 £3.25
craigcu12 All-in £5.35 £10.55 £0.00
A All-in £3.25 £13.80 £0.00
craigcu12 Unmatched bet £0.90 £12.90 £0.90
craigcu12 Show
9
9
A Show
5
8
AWin Straight to the 9 £11.93 £11.93

Duesenberg

Most loose passive fishy players are completely inelastic to bet sizing post flop in my experience/opinion. If they like something about their hand they'll call bets regardless of whether they're half pot or full pot.

All the hands above are played fine but I think you are missing value by not going considerably larger with your bets/raises post flop against these types of players. Of course if sucks when we hit our set on the flop and they fold to a pot size bet - as a thinking player it's easy to assume that our sizing scared them off. However, they would probably have folded to a 1/3 pot size in the same situation too. Even when there are times that going with really large sizings with flopped sets loses your 'customer', you will more than make up for it in the long run with the added value you get when they come along for the ride.

seanallen

Assuming your plan was to check/ call river in the first hand if you value bet you'd lose the same amount of money versus better hands and win more versus ones you beat

craigcu12

seanallen said:

Assuming your plan was to check/ call river in the first hand if you value bet you'd lose the same amount of money versus better hands and win more versus ones you beat

In hand 1most days I would be value betting my set on that river but on this occassion that river card was extremely bad being not only a straight but also a flush

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
craigcu12	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£4.48
Poplar134	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£6.59
Pokerb69	Big blind		£0.04	£0.10	£1.16
	Your hole cards	J J
Lewishigg	Call		£0.04	£0.14	£4.03
Pokerb69	Raise		£0.08	£0.22	£1.08
readman727	Call		£0.12	£0.34	£4.75
craigcu12	Raise		£0.38	£0.72	£4.10
Poplar134	Fold
Lewishigg	Call		£0.36	£1.08	£3.67
Pokerb69	Call		£0.28	£1.36	£0.80
readman727	Call		£0.28	£1.64	£4.47
Flop
		J 5 9
craigcu12	Bet		£0.60	£2.24	£3.50
Lewishigg	Call		£0.60	£2.84	£3.07
Pokerb69	Fold
readman727	Fold
Turn
		7
craigcu12	Bet		£1.40	£4.24	£2.10
Lewishigg	Call		£1.40	£5.64	£1.67
River
		10
craigcu12	Check
Lewishigg	Check
craigcu12	Show	J J
Lewishigg	Muck	9 7
craigcu12	Win	Three Jacks	£5.21		£7.31

craigcu12

MAybe I was far too much a thinking player and not taking into account how loose and passive these players are