Why do you think this is stupid? There are many different definitions as to "Asian". And they have used the correct one.
Vivien Leigh was born in Asia (British India). She is of mixed Asian and European descent (Armenian/Parsi Indian). But chose not to identify as Asian. Won 1939 & 1951.
Cher. Part Asian (Armenian descent, though born in USA)). Chose not to identify as such. Won 1987.
Natalie Portman. Born in Israel. Has dual Israeli/US citizenship. Chooses not to identify as Asian. Won 2010.
All 3 are Asian by some definitions. But do not identify as such. Hence the Headline.
Why does NPR need to put in the line "identifies as". She clearly is Asian.
These reports don't mention "identifies as" Did NPR identify her or did she just find out herself?
Why do you think this is stupid? There are many different definitions as to "Asian". And they have used the correct one.
Vivien Leigh was born in Asia (British India). She is of mixed Asian and European descent (Armenian/Parsi Indian). But chose not to identify as Asian. Won 1939 & 1951.
Cher. Part Asian (Armenian descent, though born in USA)). Chose not to identify as such. Won 1987.
Natalie Portman. Born in Israel. Has dual Israeli/US citizenship. Chooses not to identify as Asian. Won 2010.
All 3 are Asian by some definitions. But do not identify as such. Hence the Headline.
Why does NPR need to put in the line "identifies as". She clearly is Asian.
These reports don't mention "identifies as" Did NPR identify her or did she just find out herself?
Why do you think this is stupid? There are many different definitions as to "Asian". And they have used the correct one.
Vivien Leigh was born in Asia (British India). She is of mixed Asian and European descent (Armenian/Parsi Indian). But chose not to identify as Asian. Won 1939 & 1951.
Cher. Part Asian (Armenian descent, though born in USA)). Chose not to identify as such. Won 1987.
Natalie Portman. Born in Israel. Has dual Israeli/US citizenship. Chooses not to identify as Asian. Won 2010.
All 3 are Asian by some definitions. But do not identify as such. Hence the Headline.
Why does NPR need to put in the line "identifies as". She clearly is Asian.
These reports don't mention "identifies as" Did NPR identify her or did she just find out herself?
Why do you think this is stupid? There are many different definitions as to "Asian". And they have used the correct one.
Vivien Leigh was born in Asia (British India). She is of mixed Asian and European descent (Armenian/Parsi Indian). But chose not to identify as Asian. Won 1939 & 1951.
Cher. Part Asian (Armenian descent, though born in USA)). Chose not to identify as such. Won 1987.
Natalie Portman. Born in Israel. Has dual Israeli/US citizenship. Chooses not to identify as Asian. Won 2010.
All 3 are Asian by some definitions. But do not identify as such. Hence the Headline.
Why does NPR need to put in the line "identifies as". She clearly is Asian.
These reports don't mention "identifies as" Did NPR identify her or did she just find out herself?
The other actresses you mention are from a different era.
The Guardian article refers to "South East Asian". A different, smaller region. The Reuters one is just poor journalism.
Different era? Cher is 76. Natalie Portman is 41. And Michelle Yeoh is 60.
When someone "identifies as Asian" that is a box that they choose to fit into.
As opposed to 1 assigned to them by others.
The era of the Oscar wins not their ages, when there wasn't this identity boll0cks going arond. Did Michelle actually say she identifies as Asian?
Yes, of course she did. She is proud of being Malaysian. Like most of us, she is the product of more than 1 country-she is of Malay & Chinese heritage, and has lived in Switzerland for about 15 years.
I have English, Irish, Welsh and Scots ancestry. I identify as being English-it's not that I am not proud of my other roots (I am), but I am proud to call myself English.
This has absolutely nothing to do with gender identity-I get that you want to snipe at other people's choices in that regard at every opportunity. That's your choice.
But the subject of race is not simple. What do you mean by "she clearly is Asian"? Do you mean skin colour? Because an awful lot of people in this country do not have the same skin colour as you, but are proud to call themselves British.
Similarly, not as simple as where someone was born. So-off the top of my head-Boris Johnson, Cliff Richard, Spike Milligan, George Orwell, Rudyard Kipling, Vivien Leigh, Joanna Lumley. All born abroad. All very British.
How difficult is it for you to accept that race is a complex question, and the best solution is to leave it up to the person themselves?
Phil I think you're getting the wrong end of the stick here. I was highlighting the stupid headline from the left wing rag NPR. Why did they feel the need to write "identifies as"? Why couldn't they just say, "the first Asian woman"?
Phil I think you're getting the wrong end of the stick here. I was highlighting the stupid headline from the left wing rag NPR. Why did they feel the need to write "identifies as"? Why couldn't they just say, "the first Asian woman"?
I think you are missing my point.
She was not the first Asian woman to win this award. She was not the first person of Asian extraction. She was not the first person to be born there. By any other yardstick, she is not "the first Asian woman".
She is the first person to win the award to feel able to admit being Asian. Which (IMO) is not "left wing". Or "right wing".
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She clearly is Asian.
These reports don't mention "identifies as"
Did NPR identify her or did she just find out herself?
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2023/mar/13/michelle-yeoh-wins-best-actress-oscar-for-everything-everywhere-all-at-once
https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/michelle-yeoh-wins-best-actress-oscar-everything-everywhere-all-once-2023-03-13/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Yeoh
The other actresses you mention are from a different era.
The Reuters one is just poor journalism.
Different era? Cher is 76. Natalie Portman is 41. And Michelle Yeoh is 60.
When someone "identifies as Asian" that is a box that they choose to fit into.
As opposed to 1 assigned to them by others.
Did Michelle actually say she identifies as Asian?
I have English, Irish, Welsh and Scots ancestry. I identify as being English-it's not that I am not proud of my other roots (I am), but I am proud to call myself English.
This has absolutely nothing to do with gender identity-I get that you want to snipe at other people's choices in that regard at every opportunity. That's your choice.
But the subject of race is not simple. What do you mean by "she clearly is Asian"? Do you mean skin colour? Because an awful lot of people in this country do not have the same skin colour as you, but are proud to call themselves British.
Similarly, not as simple as where someone was born. So-off the top of my head-Boris Johnson, Cliff Richard, Spike Milligan, George Orwell, Rudyard Kipling, Vivien Leigh, Joanna Lumley. All born abroad. All very British.
How difficult is it for you to accept that race is a complex question, and the best solution is to leave it up to the person themselves?
I think you're getting the wrong end of the stick here.
I was highlighting the stupid headline from the left wing rag NPR.
Why did they feel the need to write "identifies as"?
Why couldn't they just say, "the first Asian woman"?
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She was not the first Asian woman to win this award. She was not the first person of Asian extraction. She was not the first person to be born there. By any other yardstick, she is not "the first Asian woman".
She is the first person to win the award to feel able to admit being Asian. Which (IMO) is not "left wing". Or "right wing".
Just progress.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64967513
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11869961/Oxfams-new-92-page-inclusivity-guide-calls-English-language-colonising-nation.html
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