Correct jam in the £33BH?

Summers119

Couldn't work out how to format this properly but was looking to get some advice on this hand. Player 1 is a losing player and the Villain is a good reg. It is in the early to mid stages of the £33 BH. My reasons for going All in is i didn't want to flat such a big raise out of position with a hand such as 10s where there are a lot of bad flops but is still a very strong hand. Folding is probably bad so I chose to go all in, but is this shove far to big (42bb)? How would you play the hand?

Small blind 100 Big blind 200

Your hole cards
• 10
• 10

Francotir Fold
_SHAAAZAM_ Fold
Player 1 Call 200 (15138.75)
Villain Raise 1100 (18846.24)
ayass81 Fold
Summers119 All-in 8428.75
Player 1 Fold
Villain Raise 15057.50
Pot 25086.25

Flop
• 7
• 2
• 8
Turn
• J
River
• K

Villain Win Pair of Aces 17557.50 28874

Summers119

I am in the big blind and the Villain made it 1100 from the button after a cutoff limp.

Kerrnal

Hello Summer. I think committing 42 big blinds with a medium strength hand personally a mistake as at best you are flipping but more than likely dominated. Playing 10s out of position is tricky but you are able to fold to ace x flops etc and still have a playable stack. Saying that if you feel the villain is being very aggressive this isn't such a bad play.

Overall I would say shoving at this stage is not advisable and that you would be able find a better spot toward the mid later stages and put your money in ahead rather than at best flipping.

Summers119

Hi @Kerrnal! Thanks for your feedback. I agree maybe a little too big a shove but I feel I can fold out even JJ AQ and lower with this jam and so I can deny a lot of equity. However I think trying to define a range to do this with will be difficult as I wouldn’t want to name AA for example I would rather reraise to 3k or call and also when they raise this big it usually looks like a very strong hand. One question would you jam 10s in my spot with 30bb?

Kerrnal

@Summers119. Yes I agree you can fold out aq jj . It is very hard to put our opponent on a specific hand but 1010 will never be in good shape. I think even 1010 with 30bb I would fold. Sub 15-20 BB I would take the more shove light, call tight approach putting pressure on our opponents and building up a stack.

Summers119

Okay thank you for your advice mate - some very good insight.

Itsover4u

forget folding! forget shoving, just flat and be prepared to feel comfortable playing further streets. if flop comes akx we can fold to c bet if he checks we can happily 33% pot bet /fold and still have 30bbs to play with.

I would not consider shoving this spot until we were around 15bb (roughly 3k stack) and against an aggressive opponent the shove will be showing enough of a profit to do it over an over again

Summers119

Thanks for the feedback @Itsover4u! Just FYI I would not jam here over a regular 3 bet to 1100 or slightly higher its just that he made it so big isolating a limper and I felt he would do this with a lot of suited broadways or even KQo/88 etc hence i shoved to deny equity and even to get hands like JJ fold and if im up against Ak i am flipping.

Obviously if he tables qq, kk and aa its a massive punt so I agree I should just call here but if I had 25bb I would probably jam as calling 5.5bb is a disaster with a hand such as 10s no and I don't like to fold here?

Summers119

The limper was limping a lot by the way.

FeelGroggy

He is never isolating and folding Jacks. I think the correct play depends on how you perceive his range.

Flatting such a big isolation out of position does not feel ideal. It also puts our hand relatively face up as a strong but not super premium hand, so AQ/99-JJish, maybe KQs. There are not many hands you would want to flat a 5.5x raise with here, and I don't really love having a flat range here. Having such an obvious range makes it very easy for villain to play vs us. We could start mixing in some flats with AA to protect ourselves but it feels like you just lose so much value with it, and having a strategy based around flatting the small blind to big raises doesn't feel super great.

If the player isolating is tight I think we can just fold. V.S someone aggressive (and using this size often) I'm happy jamming. I would not feel fantastic about having a flatting range here. It feels like if we think his range is too strong to shove against we should just fold rather than flat and play out of position, and if his range is too weak we can jam for value.
I think a tight fold is fine v.s an unknown, but definitely lean to jam if you have any information to believe this could be light.

When he goes 5.5x, and we jam 42bb, it feels like a big shove, but we are risking 42 blinds to win 8 already out there. That's nearly a 20% chip up and is not insignificant.

I would also suggest that your average 'good reg' on sky pot raising vs a limp is going to be more value heavy than if he makes it 3-4x, especially if villain is inelastic in his limp calling preflop. ( the reg is going bigger with better to build the pot more and smaller with his lighter isolations) which makes me feel quite happy folding.

Summers119

Hi @FeelGroggy! Thank you for taking the time to give me such good feedback. What you said was bascially my thought process and makes feel better about my play. I agree with the sizing though it does lean more to a bigger hand so folding is probably best. Thanks again and congrats on all your recent results!