Strange play at SPT?

SidV79

8 players at table, mix of Sky regs & some pretty passive locals- stacks range from approx 50 BB down to 15 BB (I have 21BB). Am on button with AdQc with blinds 400/800 antes 100 (& just about to go up again). Action goes fold, fold, min raise, call, call- I think before acting but end up shoving as I know original raiser & 1st caller keep trying to steal blinds, with the rider should player to my right have a premium then I am in big trouble, although he would fold if another shove was forthcoming. Blinds folded & so did original raiser but 1st caller shoved also, having got me covered (by about 1k chips) and CO folded AKos so was down one A pre. Over go the cards and villain has TT, for the life of me I cannot understand why he hasn't 3-bet with 4 players to act after him instead of just calling a min raise. Had he raised I would probably have made the call anyway (being in position and knowing he could be stealing) so what do you folks think, did I make the correct play given the min & 2x limps afterwards?

TheEdge949

Not sure one way or the other. Cant understand villains min raise. If its for information then he should see your shove as strength and fold if its to induce a shove with the intention of calling then he way overvalues his holding. I play a lot live although only small buy in tourneys ie up to £50 with the odd Goliath and GPS mini thrown in but I don't feel that your shove was a bad thing given your reads and you should always go with your read.

I take it the T T held up ?

yours in poker

Mark

SidV79

Thanks Mark. Yup the TT held- flop Jc,2d, 3d, turn 4d so now had a million outs but hope failed with 9s on river. Said to villain after why didn't you 3-bet the min raise as he was OOP & with 4 players to act as well, still cannot make sense of his play with that hand as IMO you wouldn't want any callers (let alone a pre-flop shove) or 3-bets...on another completely different subject didn't know you were a Stoke fan, am gutted for you as didn't want them to go down (am from Stoke myself but support Spurs though- since 1973 when my Uncle took me to WHL as a 10yo) & my kids both support Stoke...you will be back next year, am sure of it

Andy

MP33

I,m no expert but going off your reads I,d have done exactly the same

sandforddd

Depending on stack sizes this seems like a decent play from his perspective with the TT, he doesn't want to 3b fold a hand this strong vs the early position raiser and can induce weaker hands that would fold had he 3b to jam behind, such as AQ/AJ and 66-99. If there's say 3 half decent regs behind with a 15-20BB stack they'll never be flat calling as they're more incentivised to jam with more BBs in the pot and he can see how the EP opener reacts for very cheap. The CO is the player who's played this one terribly, they should always be 3b/calling AKo there allowing you to get away. As played it's a fine shove, ul gg

SidV79

Thanks George & MP for your feedback. TT had about 1k chips more than me so can understand your point of him not wanting to 3b fold such a strong hand to early raiser but at the same time he would not want another 4 callers, surely? TT vs 5 possible other hands with the high likelihood of AK/AQ/AJ/KQ/KJ/QJ (maybe JT as well) plus all mid pairs being in the pot, he has a lot of cards to miss for his TT to hold should he jam at any stage. Just my opinion with him being OOP and always likely to get called. As for CO I agree he did not play his AK well and should have 3b before it even got to me and although I lost I am glad I made the correct play...btw did you get back into casino yesterday?

sandforddd

That's not really the way I'd approach it. Just because we've been dealt pocket tens doesn't mean we need to find any way possible in which we can win the hand. Most of the time this would result in us simply overplaying our hand. I would flat a hand like AQo here a lot of the time too in his spot, especially due to how passive most players at the SPT play and how many mistakes they will make post flop. Thus I can get way more information on their hand for a much cheaper price.

I think we're going to make more money being comfortable enough to navigate post flop situations than simply thinking 'arrghhh I've got TT let's get it in and hope!'. He's still got 4 players to act, of which 1 will have him beat roughly 10% of the time (top 2.5% of range x 4) and is behind or flipping with a lot of the opener's range. He will win a tonne of chips the times he flops a set multi-way and also will be able to fold much easier without committing his entire stack on boards like QJx AJx KQx

sandforddd

Didn't manage to get in unfortunately but have sent them an e-mail. I believe all future SPT stops will be under the same chain of casinos which is a little worrying. I remember the 'incident' very well, was not being outrageous but obviously had had a few. More of a case of the bouncer taking a disliking to my loud and boisterous manner - can't win them all hey!

SidV79

Again thanks for your feedback George as it is very helpful. Also sorry to hear you were not able to regain entry to the casino and also sorry to say that you believe correctly, all further stops on the SPT are the same chain of casinos, Caesar's Entertainment, so hopefully you will be able to sort this out and join everyone at the next stop in Brighton at Rendezvous Casino (I shall be going- again lol)

FALLGUY64

Be nice to know the buy in,amount of players left in said tourney and how close to the money.also he could equally of put you on a steal.Hence he called with what happened to be the best hand pre flop.PS also depends on how long youve been playing said table with same players etc.as much believe you made the correct push equally he made the correct call.any way gl next time you flip for the pot.

SidV79

Buy-in was £220, 40 min blinds, at Level 8 (5hrs 18 mins into tourney), with less than 2 mins before Level 9, with blinds @400/800, antes 100, about to rise to 500/1000 + 200 and been playing with same players since start having to get to end of Level 12 to get through to Day 2. Not sure how many were left in at this stage but there were 125 players (inc rebuys) on the day. Thanks for your feedback Fallguy, it is much appreciated

Andy