i am not saying it is rigged before anyone kicks off but to answer some of the questions in the first post it could be possible.
How would you organise it - this could be done by seating. if you have player one seat one holding aa and player 2 seat 2 holding kk with player 2 the pick and make the flop come a k then both players are in and the pick wins.
Would you select a group of players, and then bias the results in their favour - this could be done to show that you can win the same as this group is winning. this would make it more appealing to people joining giving the illusion that you could be a winning player just like the picks.
Which players would you choose, and how would you select them - this could be done by selecting friends of employees, employees or just random people as it would still incenses traffic.
How many people would you need employed to accomplish this - would think a small number of people would be needed as it would just be the information for who would win to be input into the system.
What would the cost be - not sure what the cost would be but would think it would be just one or 2 people imputing information as well as paying them a good salary.
The cost of implementing this would obviously put a dent in Skys profits, and what benefit would they receive, as a result - higher traffic which would increase the profits.
Therefore, when faced with a choice of larger profits by running the site fairly, or less profits by being biased, why would they make the less profits choice - i do not think it would make less profit by being biased, all the big sites have the big guns, phil ivy ect ect , they show that you to can become just like them win lots of money. if you had different people winning every time with no top people would you play.
again i am not saying it is rigged. but there are arguments for both side. i for one do not think it is rigged. at the end of the day though we are all human with emotions, and when you throw money in the mix people can get a little crazy.
good luck at the tables everyone .
What happens if the player holding AA doesn't do all their money/chips on a K high board vs KK?
Does the ''picked'' player with KK then get punished with an orbit of 72 off for not getting the lot from AA?
i am not saying it is rigged before anyone kicks off but to answer some of the questions in the first post it could be possible.
How would you organise it - this could be done by seating. if you have player one seat one holding aa and player 2 seat 2 holding kk with player 2 the pick and make the flop come a k then both players are in and the pick wins.
Would you select a group of players, and then bias the results in their favour - this could be done to show that you can win the same as this group is winning. this would make it more appealing to people joining giving the illusion that you could be a winning player just like the picks.
Which players would you choose, and how would you select them - this could be done by selecting friends of employees, employees or just random people as it would still incenses traffic.
How many people would you need employed to accomplish this - would think a small number of people would be needed as it would just be the information for who would win to be input into the system.
What would the cost be - not sure what the cost would be but would think it would be just one or 2 people imputing information as well as paying them a good salary.
The cost of implementing this would obviously put a dent in Skys profits, and what benefit would they receive, as a result - higher traffic which would increase the profits.
Therefore, when faced with a choice of larger profits by running the site fairly, or less profits by being biased, why would they make the less profits choice - i do not think it would make less profit by being biased, all the big sites have the big guns, phil ivy ect ect , they show that you to can become just like them win lots of money. if you had different people winning every time with no top people would you play.
again i am not saying it is rigged. but there are arguments for both side. i for one do not think it is rigged. at the end of the day though we are all human with emotions, and when you throw money in the mix people can get a little crazy.
good luck at the tables everyone .
Firstly, I have to assume that you are aware that rigging a poker site is illegal, and would have to be kept secret to avoid those involved in the rigging going to jail. Nobody could notice and those involved couldn't breathe a word of it.
Lets say you are going to fix it for 10 good players. Lets also say that you limit these players to play only ten tables as many good players play more. You get 45 hands per hour per table, times ten tables that's 450 hands per hour, times ten players, means 4500 hands per hour. This means 36,000 hands over an 8 hour session.
So to fiddle for only 10 good players, you would need to scrutinise 4500 hands per hour. How many people would you need for that?
I doubt that 50 could do it, but lets say they can cheat on one and a half hands per second. If you only paid them 20k per year it costs a million quid per year, in extra wages.
As Sky only get the rake rather than the players profits, they would have to get the million quid back off the players, just to break even.
Your little example on organising it on seating, is an example of only one hand. Please don't post your suggestion for the other 35,999 hands that would just cover one day.
What would be the point of doing it?
The point of this thread was to respond to the stream of players that say they think the site is rigged purely because they regularly lose money. They never provide any evidence of how the rigging is done, or even any hand histories that could be used as proof.
They just say the site is rigged because they lose.
No winning player ever moans about the site being rigged.
you asked a question and i am just saying it is possible. there are 2 sides to the argument. is it possible for a poker site to be rigged? yes. do i think this site is rigged? no. everything is impossible until it happens.
just because something is illegal does not mean it will not happen.
you asked and i gave a answer to how it could be done and why. like my answers or not really does not bother me, same as if people want to moan about the site being rigged then they can do so.
you do not have to read it or respond to it. most start with sky is rigged or the good old one skyjoker. everyone has there own opinion and it is just that an opinion.
anyway time for bed so good luck at the tables whether they be rigged or not.
The players that accuse Sky of rigging the site, do so purely based on an unexpected result, or two.
A more sensible player may come to the conclusion that this is proof of the randomness of it, rather than be down to it being rigged.
If you flopped an ace every time you were holding one, it wouldn't be random. The fact that 5 2 sometimes beats KQ sometimes, surely proves that it is.
You apparently only hit one in three flops.
If the best hand always won it would be a completely different game.
One of the basic skills that the best poker players have is the ability to win a pot without the best hand.
Many of the weaker moaning players have no grasp of the odds, the example quoted in the first post of the latest thread was KQ losing to 5 2. In this case the KQ is around 65%, so the 52 will win around of a third of the time. If the 5 2 was suited it goes up to almost 40%, and the KQ will win 6 times out of ten. A bit less than many people would think.
The truth is therefore that if the 52 never beat the KQ, it would be rigged. The fact that these moaning, whinging players clearly state that the 52 sometimes wins, proves that the site is not rigged.
i am not saying the moaning players are right. but they are playing a game with real money that they may or may not be able to afford to lose. people take loss in different ways.
We play a lot of games every day on here so know the ups and downs of the game, and when you hit a bad run we take it as it is. now you have someone come on that plays a lot smaller amount of hands and games and see there kq lose to 52 and there AA beat by kq and so on it could look as if something funny is going on to them.
add that to the fact that real money is on the table and emotions can get the better. if they want to rant about the site being rigged then they can, same as you can post about being fed up with them posting.
if they really think the site is rigged then they should leave and report it, you find that most people who post will still play, so most of the time it will just be a rant ( can not see anybody playing on a site that they think is 100% rigged ). but again money and emotions. i have never seen anyone post about losing free rolls.
people are always going to complain about anything and everything whether it be the poker site being rigged or their eggs are not runny enough.
now i am on a really bad run so if anyone wants free money find me at the tables and good luck
i am not saying the moaning players are right. but they are playing a game with real money that they may or may not be able to afford to lose. people take loss in different ways.
We play a lot of games every day on here so know the ups and downs of the game, and when you hit a bad run we take it as it is. now you have someone come on that plays a lot smaller amount of hands and games and see there kq lose to 52 and there AA beat by kq and so on it could look as if something funny is going on to them.
add that to the fact that real money is on the table and emotions can get the better. if they want to rant about the site being rigged then they can, same as you can post about being fed up with them posting.
if they really think the site is rigged then they should leave and report it, you find that most people who post will still play, so most of the time it will just be a rant ( can not see anybody playing on a site that they think is 100% rigged ). but again money and emotions. i have never seen anyone post about losing free rolls.
people are always going to complain about anything and everything whether it be the poker site being rigged or their eggs are not runny enough.
now i am on a really bad run so if anyone wants free money find me at the tables and good luck
(can not see anybody playing on a site that they think is 100% rigged ).
Logically, anyone would agree, but it's not always the case, have a look at this - the Gentleman even calls the thread "same old, Sky Poker fixed", but still plays here. In fact, he played on here this morning, yesterday, & the day before. In fact of his last 6 games here, he has won every one.
won the last 6 games after posting that the site is rigged..... ok i will now start some of these site is rigged posts in the hopes of having a run of luck. if i make 10 posts do you think it would run as one or would it carry over.
won the last 6 games after posting that the site is rigged..... ok i will now start some of these site is rigged posts in the hopes of having a run of luck. if i make 10 posts do you think it would run as one or would it carry over.
If you genuinely believe that this site is rigged, then you will never improve. You will probably move on to another site, and get exactly the same results, before moving on to yet another site, whilst maintaining the same results, but blaming each site for your performance, and concluding that all poker sites are rigged. If you asked yourself what the players that are making money are doing differently to you, it would be a far more constructive method of addressing the problem of not wanting to be a losing player. Accepting responsibility for the outcome is probably the first step to at least having a chance of becoming a winning player, and being much happier because you are not whinging all the time.
The examples that are trotted out of weaker hands winning pots sometimes, prove that the site is not rigged rather than vice versa.
I get bad beats or the 'magical sky river' I hear on a regular basis on the tables... its poker **** happens, you win some & lose.
We all remember when we lose in a rubbish but seem to forget when its the other way around, if you think the site is rigged in anyway go play elsewhere then you'd probably realise its maybe the way you play.
I get bad beats or the 'magical sky river' I hear on a regular basis on the tables...
Gawd knows why 'they' bang on about "the river". We all know the game involves five community cards. Why do they get so bothered about it being the 5th one where their hand is beaten? Having said that I remember being beaten at Top Trumps in the 80s. School mate had a Lamborghini Countach on the 9th card which beat me on top speed. Soddin' magical 9th card!
I get bad beats or the 'magical sky river' I hear on a regular basis on the tables...
Gawd knows why 'they' bang on about "the river". We all know the game involves five community cards. Why do they get so bothered about it being the 5th one where their hand is beaten? Having said that I remember being beaten at Top Trumps in the 80s. School mate had a Lamborghini Countach on the 9th card which beat me on top speed. Soddin' magical 9th card!
You'll get no sympathy from me. Anyone with half a brain knows that Top Trumps is rigged!
There have been a lot of 'Sky is rigged' threads popping up recently so I thought I'd check on my hand history in case anything was awry. I'm pleased to report that all was in order and I'm flopping suited quads at just the right frequency...
There have been a lot of 'Sky is rigged' threads popping up recently so I thought I'd check on my hand history in case anything was awry. I'm pleased to report that all was in order and I'm flopping suited quads at just the right frequency...
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Does the ''picked'' player with KK then get punished with an orbit of 72 off for not getting the lot from AA?
Lets say you are going to fix it for 10 good players.
Lets also say that you limit these players to play only ten tables as many good players play more.
You get 45 hands per hour per table, times ten tables that's 450 hands per hour, times ten players, means 4500 hands per hour. This means 36,000 hands over an 8 hour session.
So to fiddle for only 10 good players, you would need to scrutinise 4500 hands per hour. How many people would you need for that?
I doubt that 50 could do it, but lets say they can cheat on one and a half hands per second. If you only paid them 20k per year it costs a million quid per year, in extra wages.
As Sky only get the rake rather than the players profits, they would have to get the million quid back off the players, just to break even.
Your little example on organising it on seating, is an example of only one hand. Please don't post your suggestion for the other 35,999 hands that would just cover one day.
What would be the point of doing it?
The point of this thread was to respond to the stream of players that say they think the site is rigged purely because they regularly lose money. They never provide any evidence of how the rigging is done, or even any hand histories that could be used as proof.
They just say the site is rigged because they lose.
No winning player ever moans about the site being rigged.
just because something is illegal does not mean it will not happen.
you asked and i gave a answer to how it could be done and why. like my answers or not really does not bother me, same as if people want to moan about the site being rigged then they can do so.
you do not have to read it or respond to it. most start with sky is rigged or the good old one skyjoker. everyone has there own opinion and it is just that an opinion.
anyway time for bed so good luck at the tables whether they be rigged or not.
A more sensible player may come to the conclusion that this is proof of the randomness of it, rather than be down to it being rigged.
If you flopped an ace every time you were holding one, it wouldn't be random. The fact that 5 2 sometimes beats KQ sometimes, surely proves that it is.
You apparently only hit one in three flops.
If the best hand always won it would be a completely different game.
One of the basic skills that the best poker players have is the ability to win a pot without the best hand.
Many of the weaker moaning players have no grasp of the odds, the example quoted in the first post of the latest thread was KQ losing to 5 2. In this case the KQ is around 65%, so the 52 will win around of a third of the time. If the 5 2 was suited it goes up to almost 40%, and the KQ will win 6 times out of ten. A bit less than many people would think.
The truth is therefore that if the 52 never beat the KQ, it would be rigged. The fact that these moaning, whinging players clearly state that the 52 sometimes wins, proves that the site is not rigged.
We play a lot of games every day on here so know the ups and downs of the game, and when you hit a bad run we take it as it is. now you have someone come on that plays a lot smaller amount of hands and games and see there kq lose to 52 and there AA beat by kq and so on it could look as if something funny is going on to them.
add that to the fact that real money is on the table and emotions can get the better. if they want to rant about the site being rigged then they can, same as you can post about being fed up with them posting.
if they really think the site is rigged then they should leave and report it, you find that most people who post will still play, so most of the time it will just be a rant ( can not see anybody playing on a site that they think is 100% rigged ). but again money and emotions. i have never seen anyone post about losing free rolls.
people are always going to complain about anything and everything whether it be the poker site being rigged or their eggs are not runny enough.
now i am on a really bad run so if anyone wants free money find me at the tables and good luck
Well you say.....
(can not see anybody playing on a site that they think is 100% rigged ).
Logically, anyone would agree, but it's not always the case, have a look at this - the Gentleman even calls the thread "same old, Sky Poker fixed", but still plays here. In fact, he played on here this morning, yesterday, & the day before. In fact of his last 6 games here, he has won every one.
https://community.skypoker.com/discussion/173803/same-old-same-old-sky-poker-fixed/p1
You will probably move on to another site, and get exactly the same results, before moving on to yet another site, whilst maintaining the same results, but blaming each site for your performance, and concluding that all poker sites are rigged.
If you asked yourself what the players that are making money are doing differently to you, it would be a far more constructive method of addressing the problem of not wanting to be a losing player.
Accepting responsibility for the outcome is probably the first step to at least having a chance of becoming a winning player, and being much happier because you are not whinging all the time.
The examples that are trotted out of weaker hands winning pots sometimes, prove that the site is not rigged rather than vice versa.
A bad workman blames his tools.
We all remember when we lose in a rubbish but seem to forget when its the other way around, if you think the site is rigged in anyway go play elsewhere then you'd probably realise its maybe the way you play.
Happy Friday Guys