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Was this right or wrong?

DEL560DEL560 Member Posts: 487
edited December 2021 in Strategy
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
DiabloFishSmall blind10.0010.001940.00
hutchbBig blind20.0030.002185.00
Your hole cards
  • Q
  • Q
TomollyFold
Adam2000Fold
AbeeRaise40.0070.001770.00
DEL560Raise60.00130.001960.00
DiabloFishFold
hutchbCall40.00170.002145.00
AbeeAll-in1770.001940.000.00
DEL560All-in1960.003900.000.00
hutchbFold
DEL560Unmatched bet210.003690.00210.00
AbeeShow
  • 3
  • A
DEL560Show
  • Q
  • Q
Flop
  • A
  • K
  • 3
Turn
  • 10
River
  • 9
AbeeWinTwo Pairs, Aces and 3s3690.003690.00

Comments

  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 170,984

    Right, imo.
  • TheEdge949TheEdge949 Member Posts: 5,713
    Cant really understand much of this in isolation. Was there some dynamic in play which makes villain think he can shove ace trash through two players ?. Also what was the reasoning behind the call ?

    Did u think you were way ahead, had villain shown a propensity to shove light, had he played his monsters in the same way ??

    Taken as it is it appears that villain shoved expecting to blast you both off the pot because lets be honest its a junk hand that many flops will run over. However you called and you were ahead although not massively and he just ran out good.

    I really want players shoving that light in the long run you get it all.

    Yours in poker

    Mark
  • WNPWNP Member Posts: 8
    You got all in while you were ahead, in the long run that's +EV.

    What did you put him on when you called his shove? I was in a similar situation the other day (pretty much exact same actually - Villian just had A6 instead of A3) and I knew the player had a tendency to shove/raise big with weak hands, so I called his shove and got beat when he flopped a pair of Aces. Lost the hand, but in the long run that move makes money.

    Only thing I would say is that your 3 bet was very weak. he raised by 1 BB, and then you only raised by another BB. He was never going to fold to that, and it possibly made you look a bit weak (hence he thought he could steal with a shove).

    I would have been looking to 3 bet him to 100-120. He may then have decided against shoving and putting you in that spot. Of course, shoving with A3o makes him look like a maniac, so may have shoved either way.
  • DEL560DEL560 Member Posts: 487
    Thanks for replies people.
  • DEL560DEL560 Member Posts: 487
    What about this one? -
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    LmfaoAllinSmall blind400.00400.005200.00
    HelitubbyBig blind800.001200.003640.00
    Your hole cards
    • A
    • K
    ArrogantFold
    MakakaFold
    Bristow123All-in12846.2514046.250.00
    DEL560All-in8675.0022721.250.00
    LmfaoAllinFold
    HelitubbyFold
    Bristow123Unmatched bet4171.2518550.004171.25
    Bristow123Show
    • A
    • 10
    DEL560Show
    • A
    • K
    Flop
    • 6
    • 4
    • 8
    Turn
    • 4
    River
    • 7
    Bristow123WinFlush to the 1018550.0022721.25
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 170,984

    Right again, just unlucky.
  • TheEdge949TheEdge949 Member Posts: 5,713
    The second example is just a standard beat really. His shove is ok as the big stack I guess although A 10 off isn't superstrong and your call is fine as your'e well above his shoving range.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,845
    There is only 1 winner in any tournament.
    The others mostly either get unlucky or play a hand badly.
    You were the former in both of these. You can only get it in good.....
  • MattBatesMattBates Member Posts: 4,118
    There are a lot of instances particularly when stacks are shallow that someone can shove correctly and we can call correctly. This is one of those instances and we called with the best hand and lost. It is fine to check these spots but AK is a call all day long. Make sure you are questioning spots where you win as well as when you lose. You need to focus on the correct actions rather than focus on the results as we can only change one of those two things. If you are asking about a play because you lost and you wouldn't if you won then you are not analysing your plays in the right way.
  • stokefcstokefc Member Posts: 7,867
    the first hand imo altho you got it in ahead , i find at low stakes people shoving on the first round of blinds 10/20 have the goods a lot of the time cuz people call light at the low stakes i,ve folded queens to shoves on the 1st round of blinds quite a few times i,ve called a few too that,s why i come to the conclusion above
    is it a leak folding to a shove such a strong hand early in a tournament
  • DEL560DEL560 Member Posts: 487
    Ok thanks guys for advice. The 2nd example was a satellite, there was 17 left and 12 got seat. Felt I needed to play another hand though to qualify?
  • MattBatesMattBates Member Posts: 4,118
    DEL560 said:

    Ok thanks guys for advice. The 2nd example was a satellite, there was 17 left and 12 got seat. Felt I needed to play another hand though to qualify?

    The fact that it is a satellite is quite crucial info and varies our play massively. We need to know the other stack sizes to know the optimal play here.
  • madprofmadprof Member Posts: 3,461
    DEL560 said:

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    DiabloFishSmall blind10.0010.001940.00
    hutchbBig blind20.0030.002185.00
    Your hole cards
    • Q
    • Q
    TomollyFold
    Adam2000Fold
    AbeeRaise40.0070.001770.00
    DEL560Raise60.00130.001960.00
    DiabloFishFold
    hutchbCall40.00170.002145.00
    AbeeAll-in1770.001940.000.00
    DEL560All-in1960.003900.000.00
    hutchbFold
    DEL560Unmatched bet210.003690.00210.00
    AbeeShow
    • 3
    • A
    DEL560Show
    • Q
    • Q
    Flop
    • A
    • K
    • 3
    Turn
    • 10
    River
    • 9
    AbeeWinTwo Pairs, Aces and 3s3690.003690.00
    Please don't get me started on pocket QQ.....my nemesis! I even consider folding them preflop...I don't of course....normally shove/call an all in and am yet to get them past A+ hands ..different matter live of course
  • DEL560DEL560 Member Posts: 487
    Was this guy right to shove from hb -
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    BloogzSmall blind1500.001500.0024396.25
    DEL560Big blind3000.004500.0018720.00
    Your hole cards
    • J
    • Q
    boggoFold
    OXBOWLERFold
    841LEYFold
    Beastoid64Fold
    BloogzAll-in24396.2528896.250.00
    DEL560All-in18720.0047616.250.00
    BloogzUnmatched bet4176.2543440.004176.25
    BloogzShow
    • 4
    • 3
    DEL560Show
    • J
    • Q
    Flop
    • 2
    • 6
    • 3
    Turn
    • 3
    River
    • 7
    BloogzWinThree 3s43440.0047616.25
  • MattBatesMattBates Member Posts: 4,118
    Shove and call seems pretty standard. Unlucky you lost the 60/40
  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited March 2019

    Cant really understand much of this in isolation. Was there some dynamic in play which makes villain think he can shove ace trash through two players ?. Also what was the reasoning behind the call ?

    Did u think you were way ahead, had villain shown a propensity to shove light, had he played his monsters in the same way ??

    Taken as it is it appears that villain shoved expecting to blast you both off the pot because lets be honest its a junk hand that many flops will run over. However you called and you were ahead although not massively and he just ran out good.

    I really want players shoving that light in the long run you get it all.

    Yours in poker

    Mark

    I'm not sure what ''reasoning'' OP needs to call off there?

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