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just how random are the cards that are dealt?????

GREGGYBOYGREGGYBOY Member Posts: 11
edited March 2010 in Poker Chat
Was playing in a small BH earlier today, played a fairly passive game was in the last 10 and due to a silly decision by myself ended up fairly short stacked.  I was dealt a pair of K's and with 4000 chips went all, if someone called me I was in great position and if not, a good steal of the blinds.  Anyhow 1 guy called me with A 10 unsuited and the flop came as 10, 5, A.  end of my tourny and pretty much the story of my bad luck! normally it is the river that stuffs me but ....it seems to happen every time, I also seem to get shuffled to a table with the chip leader on in most tournys I play!  Quite often it seems like the flop, turn and river always seem to come out in the big stacks favour.  Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
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  • Seagull158Seagull158 Member Posts: 1,100
    edited March 2010
    In Response to just how random are the cards that are dealt?????:
    Was playing in a small BH earlier today, played a fairly passive game was in the last 10 and due to a silly decision by myself ended up fairly short stacked.  I was dealt a pair of K's and with 4000 chips went all, if someone called me I was in great position and if not, a good steal of the blinds.  Anyhow 1 guy called me with A 10 unsuited and the flop came as 10, 5, A.  end of my tourny and pretty much the story of my bad luck! normally it is the river that stuffs me but ....it seems to happen every time, I also seem to get shuffled to a table with the chip leader on in most tournys I play!  Quite often it seems like the flop, turn and river always seem to come out in the big stacks favour.  Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
    Posted by GREGGYBOY
    Have a look in Area 51. You should find the answer there.
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3 Member Posts: 2,418
    edited March 2010
    eurgh GROOOOAAAANNNNNN... it never ends does it??!! oh well, loony, trips etc... see you in area51 lol
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  • BADBOY985BADBOY985 Member Posts: 1,957
    edited March 2010
    IF YOU PLAY BOUNTY HUNTERS YOUR GOING TO RUN INTO PLENTY OF BAD BEATS AS THE STLYE OF THESE MEANS TO TURN A PROFIT YOU HAVE TO TAKE MORE RISKS.
    TRY PLAYING SLOWER TOURNYS AND YOU WIIL NEED LESS LUCK AND MORE SKILL TRY THE 7.15 DEEP STACK £2.20 BUY IN 5K CHIPS GIVE YOU MUCH MORE BETTING AND FOLDING OPPORTUNITIES.
    ALSO TRY READING UP ON HAND ODDS BEACAUCE KK GIVES YOU A GOOD START BUT THE % OF HANDS YOU WIN IN A STRAIGHT UP RACE ISNT AS HIGH AS YOU MIGHT THINK
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  • KnackersYaKnackersYa Member Posts: 468
    edited March 2010
    Tin foil hats available now in the Area 51 lobby.....
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  • BADBOY985BADBOY985 Member Posts: 1,957
    edited March 2010
    GUYS PLEASE DONT JUMP ON THESE KIND OF POSTS TO RIDICULE AND SCORE POINTS THE  GUY IS ASKING A PERFECTLY FAIR QUESTION AND BY ANSWERING WITH RESPECT YOU MIGHT HELP THEM
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  • SpringsSprings Member Posts: 67
    edited March 2010
    In Response to just how random are the cards that are dealt?????:
    Quite often it seems like the flop, turn and river always seem to come out in the big stacks favour.  Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
    Posted by GREGGYBOY
    Yes ... apart from by making moves, they must have hit cards in order to get a big stack.


    However, as for the 'random or not' debate, clearly there's skulduggery afoot. I was playing earlier, and ended up all-in pre-flop with KK against the chip leader. Flop comes ace high, before turning a king, and rivering another. So, at least in this one example you can see it's not always geared towards allowing the big stacks to win.
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  • Seagull158Seagull158 Member Posts: 1,100
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: just how random are the cards that are dealt?????:
    GUYS PLEASE DONT JUMP ON THESE KIND OF POSTS TO RIDICULE AND SCORE POINTS THE  GUY IS ASKING A PERFECTLY FAIR QUESTION AND BY ANSWERING WITH RESPECT YOU MIGHT HELP THEM
    Posted by BADBOY985
    Nobody has openly ridiculed him in this thread. We have pointed him on the direction of Area 51 where he can read all the ridicule that has been heaped on the misguided souls who preceded him in asking this question. He will also find some replies there concerning pot odds etc.
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  • DAVEYZZDAVEYZZ Member Posts: 1,651
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: just how random are the cards that are dealt?????:
    GUYS PLEASE DONT JUMP ON THESE KIND OF POSTS TO RIDICULE AND SCORE POINTS THE  GUY IS ASKING A PERFECTLY FAIR QUESTION AND BY ANSWERING WITH RESPECT YOU MIGHT HELP THEM
    Posted by BADBOY985
    i totally agree with you badboy,the guy asked a reasonable question...

    The way it works on sky is..the cards are shuffled the dealt,then from there it is like a real pack of cards they are not plucked out of the air like some sites,so the flop is the flop no matter when you call,fold e.t.c
    dave
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  • BADBOY985BADBOY985 Member Posts: 1,957
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: just how random are the cards that are dealt?????:
    In Response to Re: just how random are the cards that are dealt????? : Nobody has openly ridiculed him in this thread. We have pointed him on the direction of Area 51 where he can read all the ridicule that has been heaped on the misguided souls who preceded him in asking this question. He will also find some replies there concerning pot odds etc.
    Posted by Seagull158
    SEAGULL IF YOU PUT THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE I WOULD HAVE TOTALY AGREED WITH YOU. THE IDEA WITH THE COMUNITY IS TO HELP EACH OTHER AND YOU ARE MORE THAN CAPABLE OF DOING SO. EVERYONE WANTS THE SITE AND FORUM TO GROW.
    BLACKFISH ITS ONE OF THE GUYS FIRST POSTS AND HE ISNT SAYING THE SITE IS RIGGED OR THE CARDS FIXED HES ASKING WHY HE KEEPS GETTING BADBEATS YOU HAVE SOME GOOD OPINOINS TRY TO USE THEM INSTEAD OF BELITTLING OTHERS
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  • loonytoonsloonytoons Member Posts: 4,270
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: just how random are the cards that are dealt?????:
      hi all has anybody played the new game trips yet. only 5 players a 3 get payed ,hav,nt seen one full yet to see what you get payed ,any ideas . doesnt seem that popular as yet .
    Posted by epwb
    DYM would be better i think as the rake is 15% on trips and if you finish third your 'winnings' are less than your entrance lol, even 2nd place is not much better, you really need to come 1st for it to be worth while
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  • BADBOY985BADBOY985 Member Posts: 1,957
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: just how random are the cards that are dealt?????:
      hi all has anybody played the new game trips yet. only 5 players a 3 get payed ,hav,nt seen one full yet to see what you get payed ,any ideas . doesnt seem that popular as yet .
    Posted by epwb
    1ST GETS 50%
    2ND GETS 30%
    3rd gets 20%

    cant see the value when you take out they buy in 3rd your just getting you money back
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  • loonytoonsloonytoons Member Posts: 4,270
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: just how random are the cards that are dealt?????:
    In Response to Re: just how random are the cards that are dealt????? : 1ST GETS 50% 2ND GETS 30% 3rd gets 20% cant see the value when you take out they buy in 3rd your just getting you money back
    Posted by BADBOY985
    £1:15 for a £5 pot @ 20% = £1 = loss 4 3rd?
    £1:15 for a £5 pot @ 30% = £1:50 = 35p profit for 2nd = cr appy return lol
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  • hurst05hurst05 Member Posts: 1,567
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: just how random are the cards that are dealt?????:
    eurgh GROOOOAAAANNNNNN... it never ends does it??!! oh well, loony, trips etc... see you in area51 lol
    Posted by BlackFish3
    eurgh GROOOOOAAAANNNNN it never ends does it, iits his first post, no need to patronise him, if you dont like these threads dont post simples
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  • dav1964dav1964 Member Posts: 2,526
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: just how random are the cards that are dealt?????:
    In Response to Re: just how random are the cards that are dealt????? : eurgh GROOOOOAAAANNNNN it never ends does it, iits his first post, no need to patronise him, if you dont like these threads dont post simples
    Posted by hurst05
    Well said hursty mate and badboy.You know i am starting to think that some of these guys actually dont play poker on here they just wait for something to pounce on in the forum.dav
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  • elsadogelsadog Member Posts: 5,677
    edited March 2010
    The guy asked his question in a reasonable manner. It wasn't a rant, saying the site has it in for him. A reasonable answer was needed to a reasonable question.
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  • Seagull158Seagull158 Member Posts: 1,100
    edited March 2010
    I gave him a reasonable answer, a very reasonable answer. I said "Have a look in Area 51. You should find the answer there." Also, I refrained from jumping down his throat for the comment in his post "Quite often it seems like the flop, turn and river always seem to come out in the big stacks favour", even though people have been torn to pieces on many other threads for making exactly the same observation. In contrast with the people who complain that the shortstack always wins! I do agree, however, that it is not possible that Blackfish actually plays poker here because he must be spending a couple of hours a day doing his studies and at least 22 hours a day making posts or, rather, having arguments with his mates Fallen, Sara36DD, Charlyb and Torryboy.
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  • Seagull158Seagull158 Member Posts: 1,100
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: just how random are the cards that are dealt?????:
    In Response to Re: just how random are the cards that are dealt????? : Well said hursty mate and badboy.You know i am starting to think that some of these guys actually dont play poker on here they just wait for something to pounce on in the forum.dav
    Posted by dav1964
    Now now Dav. Dont stir Blackfish up again. You know he stalks your posts!
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3 Member Posts: 2,418
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: just how random are the cards that are dealt?????:
    In Response to Re: just how random are the cards that are dealt????? : eurgh GROOOOOAAAANNNNN it never ends does it, iits his first post, no need to patronise him, if you dont like these threads dont post simples
    Posted by hurst05
    if you dont like my posts, dont read on them and comment... simples...
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3 Member Posts: 2,418
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: just how random are the cards that are dealt?????:
    I gave him a reasonable answer, a very reasonable answer. I said "Have a look in Area 51. You should find the answer there." Also, I refrained from jumping down his throat for the comment in his post "Quite often it seems like the flop, turn and river always seem to come out in the big stacks favour", even though people have been torn to pieces on many other threads for making exactly the same observation. In contrast with the people who complain that the shortstack always wins! I do agree, however, that it is not possible that Blackfish actually plays poker here because he must be spending a couple of hours a day doing his studies and at least 22 hours a day making posts or, rather, having arguments with his mates Fallen, Sara36DD, Charlyb and Torryboy.
    Posted by Seagull158
    yes ok i dont play on here... hmmm... i pretty much only post when i am playing poker... what's wrong with posting a lot anyway? there are people that have posted more than me, why dont people moan at TK for posting so much? you post a fair amount yaself.
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3 Member Posts: 2,418
    edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: just how random are the cards that are dealt?????:
    In Response to Re: just how random are the cards that are dealt????? : Well said hursty mate and badboy.You know i am starting to think that some of these guys actually dont play poker on here they just wait for something to pounce on in the forum.dav
    Posted by dav1964
    same as my above post...
    i was a lil harsh on a first time poster... i kinda got the wrong end of it and immediately assumed it was a standard bad beat moaner... i should of cut the OP some slack being as it was his first post, i just think you need to be tough with people who haven't yet gripped bad beats.
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