Non-runners & SP's in Horse Racing Forum Comps - your input needed.

Tikay10

Morning.

We need to make some small changes to our Daily Forum Comp when there are non-runners in Forum Comps, & also look at SP's.

We need your input to this.

I'm not awfully fussed how we do it, but it needs to remain fun, &, as far as possible, fair.

Here's a starting point, but I'm happy to take on board all sensible suggestions.


1) If you select a non-runner, you are free to select a different horse to replace it. (If time permits).

2) If your horse is a NR & you do not change it, your bet for that today will be VOID. So your running total will remain unchanged & you'll not win or lose. Your selection will NOT auto transfer to the favourite.

3) Prices will be shown in the Opening Posts as usual, but these will be indicative only. All "bets" will be settled at SP. If there is a Rule 4 Deduction, then winning selections will have their winnings adjusted to allow for the Rule 4.

mumsie

Good morning,

I'm not really a betting persons, so would like so clarify the settling on SP meaning, say you select a 10/1 in the morning and it wins at evens.

Our virtual selection gets paid at evens ?

Tikay10

mumsie said:

Good morning,

I'm not really a betting persons, so would like so clarify the settling on SP meaning, say you select a 10/1 in the morning and it wins at evens.

Our virtual selection gets paid at evens ?

Correct.

And vice-versa of course - if the "opening" or indicative price is Evens, & it wins at 10/1, you get 10/1.

So the indicative price is a guide, but the actual returned SP (Starting Price) is what you'd get paid if we went that route.

eon1961

Whatever the rules they are the same for everyone.

belsibub

As a someone who does not bet I like & understand the system thats been inplace(maybe not be real world but simple to know the odds I need).
As long as there is a caveat in place that if your horse is a non runner & you don't/no time to up date your choice you get the put on the favorite when the flag drops(or from the list on op open to either) & if it wins you get the price paid.

mumsie

Ok.

It's not a problem .

I'm concerned with the increase In admin for you nearer the cutoff time.

People may leave their choices until later in the day and may miss the cut off time due to peak poker traffic times. If that makes sense.

I know I've missed a few times because I left it late (or been drunk or asleep)

Could it affect numbers or am I just being a dobie?

MAXALLY

1) If you select a non-runner, you are free to select a different horse to replace it. (If time permits).

2) If your horse is a NR & you do not change it, your bet for that today will be VOID. So your running total will remain unchanged & you'll not win or lose. Your selection will NOT auto transfer to the favourite.

^^^ This. It will make it a simple format to follow, and will be the same for all. It will also make the admin (which until folks do it, will not understand the work that goes into that process) a lot more easier to do. I was asked to do the similar for the horse syndicate crew ie, using the early price or the SP price. That would have been a logistical nightmare TBH.

tai-gar

Tikay10 said:

Morning.

We need to make some small changes to our Daily Forum Comp when there are non-runners in Forum Comps, & also look at SP's.

We need your input to this.

I'm not awfully fussed how we do it, but it needs to remain fun, &, as far as possible, fair.

Here's a starting point, but I'm happy to take on board all sensible suggestions.


1) If you select a non-runner, you are free to select a different horse to replace it. (If time permits).

2) If your horse is a NR & you do not change it, your bet for that today will be VOID. So your running total will remain unchanged & you'll not win or lose. Your selection will NOT auto transfer to the favourite.

3) Prices will be shown in the Opening Posts as usual, but these will be indicative only. All "bets" will be settled at SP. If there is a Rule 4 Deduction, then winning selections will have their winnings adjusted to allow for the Rule 4.

Seems all fair and reasonable to me.

lfccarl

all results at sp

SidV79

Afternoon @Tikay10, agree with SP odds to settle the "bets", also if a NR then replacement allowed but if no replacement chosen, then the "bet" will be VOID. This seems to be the fairest way of doing things and thank you for running this.

EvilPingu

SP solves a lot of problems but creates a few of its own.

- Gets rid of majority of R4 issues (Barring horses refusing to start etc, can always deal with that manually if you really want to)
- Makes it more fun/pick a horse and hope as opposed to picking things that have come in on the exchange loads since the morning for some of the 'sharp' punters in the comp

BUT if you've got a Sunday horse race then you get the whole mess of people picking horses that can win them the comp at a certain price but then the SP is shorter.

Void if NR is fine. Alternatively could just ask people to make a 'backup' pick in case first choice is NR. Then void if both NR which would be pretty unlikely. Don't think it's much extra admin to read back through the thread if there's NRs to find what people's second pick was.

IMO SP is better as long as Sunday horses are avoided. Shouldn't be a problem as there's usually plenty on most Sundays. Obviously having the early prices with R4s plus BOG is best but it's not worth the admin and it wouldn't be fair (IMO) for people to expect that.


EDIT: Also think we should wait until the end of the week to apply any rule changes, just to keep things fair for this week.

dragon1964

Just don't use horse racing as it isn't a proper sport.
Problem solved.

You're welcome.

safc71

Tikay10 said:

Morning.

We need to make some small changes to our Daily Forum Comp when there are non-runners in Forum Comps, & also look at SP's.

We need your input to this.

I'm not awfully fussed how we do it, but it needs to remain fun, &, as far as possible, fair.

Here's a starting point, but I'm happy to take on board all sensible suggestions.


1) If you select a non-runner, you are free to select a different horse to replace it. (If time permits).

2) If your horse is a NR & you do not change it, your bet for that today will be VOID. So your running total will remain unchanged & you'll not win or lose. Your selection will NOT auto transfer to the favourite.

3) Prices will be shown in the Opening Posts as usual, but these will be indicative only. All "bets" will be settled at SP. If there is a Rule 4 Deduction, then winning selections will have their winnings adjusted to allow for the Rule 4.

Agree with the above the SP is a fairer system for the daily competition. Hey @dragon1964 horse racing not a proper sport ? You must be mad or Welsh or a mad Welshman

NoEa5yCa5h

1) -Agree.

2) Your selection WILL auto transfer to the favourite if you have not changed.

3) Agree.

Options 2 & 3 seem a fairer way for people who enter in the morning and don't have time to check in the lead up to the race.