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Nathan Clack, 30. Born in Newcastle but now a London activist.
Edward Thacker, 29. The son of West End theatre director David Thacker.
Benjamin Smoke, 27. A freelance journalist.
Nicholas Sigsworth, 29. Electronic musician with the stage name Klaus.
Helen Brewer, 29. A London artist and film-maker.
Emma Hughes, 38. Member of Switched On London, an energy campaign group.
May MacKeith, 33. From an activist family that leads immigration protests.
Jyotsna Ram, 33. Holds a PhD in planning and sustainable design.
Joseph McGahan, 35. The co-founder of Hempden, a hemp and CBD company.
Ruth Potts, 44. A lecturer in alternative economics and an anarchist baker.
Lyndsay Burtonshaw, 28. Works for Quakers In Britain.
Alistair Tamlit, 30. Member of Plane Stupid, a climate campaign group.
Laura Clayson, 28. Previously arrested for protesting against fracking.
Melanie Evans, 35. A climate activist.
Not pictured: Melanie Strickland, 35. A solicitor who was part of a 2006 Heathrow protest.


Foreign murderers and child rapists are STILL in UK two years after THESE Left-wing activists blocked deportation in Stansted flight sabotage

Stansted 15' cut through fence at Essex airport in March 2017 in criminal protest
Locked themselves to plane removing 60 people to Nigeria, Ghana, Sierra Leone
These included 25 criminals imprisoned in UK jails for offences including murder
Protesters claim criminals were 'at risk of persecution', their action 'saved lives'
Of the 25 criminals on the flight, 19 were later deported but six remain in the UK




https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7268407/Foreign-murderers-child-rapists-UK-two-years-activists-blocked-deportation.html

Comments

  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,845
    edited July 2019
    Stop reading the Daily Mail. Unless you want to become a hate-fuelled xenophobe.

    This article is typical of everything that is wrong with British journalism. It just ignores the facts.

    So-60 people being deported. "Murderers"?-1. Deported 2 days later, without any sort of protest. Not mentioned in the article. S0-no "foreign murderers", and the one was swiftly removed.

    Vague mentions of criminal offences, totally unspecific-compare and contrast with the detailed descriptions of the activists. "Only" 6 of the 25 remain in the UK-presumably, they are 6 people who have a strong case to remain, which was being denied by being deported before due process (something that is rather common). They are still in the UK because the UK now recognises that cases need to be considered properly. And note the way that the article sidesteps the 35 who were not criminals.

    "Foreign" criminals? No, some are criminals, but whether or not they are foreign is irrelevant as to whether or not they are criminals. Unless you are the sort of newspaper that backed Hitler.

    I do not agree with what the protesters did. But I do not believe, 2 years on, that papers should be vilifying them, printing their names, occupations and addresses and the like.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 171,048

    I note that Ruth Potts is an "anarchist baker".

    What exactly is an anarchist baker? What sort of things do they bake? Non-conformist bread, angry Victoria sponges?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,445
    Tikay10 said:


    I note that Ruth Potts is an "anarchist baker".

    What exactly is an anarchist baker? What sort of things do they bake? Non-conformist bread, angry Victoria sponges?

    Getting bread ‘right’ means addressing everything from access to land, food production systems, methods (and therefore relationships) of production, national diets (and their increasing impacts on health outcomes, particularly for those on the lowest incomes) and the way we spend our time. This is why using our loaves matters so much.

    As we struggle to overthrow systems that serve the wants of the few, we should heed Kropotkin’s warning that: ‘They discussed various political questions at great length, but forgot to discuss the question of bread.’ The question of bread today calls for a fundamental reappraisal of how we live and organise. Do this, and we might yet bring the co-operative society Kropotkin envisaged more widely into being. More than that: by baking and sharing bread we take back our time, the means of production and ferment the potential for lasting transformation.
    Ruth Potts and Molly Conisbee are co-founders of Bread, Print & Roses

    https://www.redpepper.org.uk/the-politics-of-bread/



    Ruth co-ordinated the development of the MA in Ecological Design Thinking at Schumacher College and is part of the teaching team. She is a co-founder of bread, print & roses, a collective engaged in seditious pamphleteering, radical walking, anarchist baking and transformative education. Previously, Ruth was Campaign Organiser for the Great Transition at nef (the new economics foundation) where she co-developed a new model of campaign designed to kick-start the decade -long transition to a new economy and society. She is the co-author of The New Materialism, covered by the Guardian, The Daily Telegraph and the Financial Times, and a co-author of nef’s Clone Town Britain reports. Ruth helped to organise the Green New Deal Group in 2007 and managed the launch of the Group’s First report, A Green New Deal, in July 2008. The concept was subsequently taken up by UNEP, and influenced policy around the globe

    https://www.schumachercollege.org.uk/about/ruth-potts
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 171,048

    "radical walking", "seditious pamphleteering", crikey. We used to think train spotting was living on the edge.
  • VespaPXVespaPX Member Posts: 12,458
    "Unless you are the sort of newspaper that backed Hitler."

    Quite apt with the 50th anniversary of the moon landing.
    Ex-**** made it happen
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip
  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    VespaPX said:

    "Unless you are the sort of newspaper that backed Hitler."

    Quite apt with the 50th anniversary of the moon landing.
    Ex-**** made it happen
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

    The Daily Mail is Vespa's bible.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,445
    Essexphil said:

    Stop reading the Daily Mail. Unless you want to become a hate-fuelled xenophobe.

    This article is typical of everything that is wrong with British journalism. It just ignores the facts.

    So-60 people being deported. "Murderers"?-1. Deported 2 days later, without any sort of protest. Not mentioned in the article. S0-no "foreign murderers", and the one was swiftly removed.

    But this newspaper understands that one of those on the flight was murderer Quam Ogumbiyi, who was jailed in 2004 for stabbing a man to death in front of his family in Harringay, North London.

    In 2011, Ogumbiyi was given an additional life sentence after he and two others carried out a knife attack on Bosnian war criminal Radislav Krstic in prison.

    Of the 25 criminals, 19 were later deported but six remain in the UK.


    Vague mentions of criminal offences, totally unspecific-compare and contrast with the detailed descriptions of the activists. "Only" 6 of the 25 remain in the UK-presumably, they are 6 people who have a strong case to remain, which was being denied by being deported before due process (something that is rather common). They are still in the UK because the UK now recognises that cases need to be considered properly. And note the way that the article sidesteps the 35 who were not criminals.



    Six foreign criminals whose deportation more than two years ago was blocked by a group of Left-wing activists at Stansted Airport are still in the UK, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.


    "Foreign" criminals? No, some are criminals, but whether or not they are foreign is irrelevant as to whether or not they are criminals. Unless you are the sort of newspaper that backed Hitler.

    The Home Office said: 'We only return those with no legal right to remain in the UK, including foreign national offenders and failed asylum seekers.'


    I do not agree with what the protesters did. But I do not believe, 2 years on, that papers should be vilifying them, printing their names, occupations and addresses and the like.



    Firstly, I am not concerned enough to have a big argument over this, or write even a small wall of text.

    I was thinking in terms of the substantial cost involved in chartering aircraft, and the escort staff involved. Only for this taxpayer money to be wasted as the plane didn't take off.

    Secondly the pointlessness of this when the majority were deported a couple of days later, obviously at great extra cost.

    The headline seemed to be clearly stating that of the 60, at least 25 were criminals, some of which are still here 2 years later. So they didn't get deported on either of the first 2 planes.


    I wouldn't consider myself a xenophobe, but don't think immigration should be a free for all, with no controls, and we should take our fair share of refugees.

    They didn't publish their addresses, but this is surely the norm, after being found guilty in court.

    We do seem to have large numbers of professional protesters.

    I think that the cost to the taxpayer over delaying deportations for 2 days makes the protest ridiculous.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,445
    Tikay10 said:


    "radical walking", "seditious pamphleteering", crikey. We used to think train spotting was living on the edge.

    Makes Nigel Farage seem almost normal.
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