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Which Crime Is Worse?

lucy4lucy4 Member Posts: 8,122
Two completely different crimes both sentenced this week,which is the more serious and who should the public be more protected from?









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  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    I would guess that the public would say the kidnapping.
    In both cases the full sentences won’t be served.
    I think detectorists need to sign a contract of sorts, if on someone’s land.
    Would they and the landowner get weighed in if declaring the find?
    If it wasn’t for those guys, the haul may have never been found.
    Don’t be too greeeedy.
  • stokefcstokefc Member Posts: 7,868
    the Staffordshire hoard netted the finder and the farmer a couple o mill each but they let the appropriate authorities know about the find
    10 years seems extreme
  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    Here’s one guy who definitely hasn’t got amnesia.
  • lucy4lucy4 Member Posts: 8,122
    edited November 2019
    chilling said:

    I would guess that the public would say the kidnapping.
    In both cases the full sentences won’t be served.
    I think detectorists need to sign a contract of sorts, if on someone’s land.
    Would they and the landowner get weighed in if declaring the find?
    If it wasn’t for those guys, the haul may have never been found.
    Don’t be too greeeedy.

    If declared and it's deemed to be treasure trove then yes the finder and the land owner receive half of the value each.The judge said in this case approx £500,000 each so yes they were being too greedy for their own good.But in my opinion the sentences were a bit excessive.
  • goldongoldon Member Posts: 9,150
    Typical Hoarders want to keep everything. cough!
  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    By some stats it states it costs about £37K per inmate per year.
    So adding their sentences up,give the ill guy a five year for arguments sake,and completing their full stretch, that comes to about £1, 054,000.
    It’s ok, we’re still in the black👍
  • goldongoldon Member Posts: 9,150
    Think the harsh sentence is to deter anyone from keeping Souvenir which could be important regard history. Hoarders just need good clear out, that's been done, lesson learnt, poorer for the experience. Nothing served putting them in Jail, sure there will be appeal soon & some smart Lawyer will made a few bob.
  • lucy4lucy4 Member Posts: 8,122
    The sentencing in this country needs to be seriously overhauled.How does this sentence send a deterrent message to those who are committing these knife crimes.


  • goldongoldon Member Posts: 9,150
    Nelson Mandela .......... there is always people being put in Prison who shouldn't be there and people walking the streets who should. You would have thought by now, the twenty first Century we would have got it sorted. !

  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    lucy4 said:

    The sentencing in this country needs to be seriously overhauled.How does this sentence send a deterrent message to those who are committing these knife crimes.


    Flog them first.
    In and out of prison all the time.
    Who would come back for seconds if flogged?
  • goldongoldon Member Posts: 9,150
    What you could get for you're Vouchers. God Bless Her.!


  • goldongoldon Member Posts: 9,150
    As I remember, you needed ten vouchers for a good flogging, this is not Punishment.

    You don't need the Iron "Madam."

    You need the " Iron Maiden."


    No repeat offenders .
  • MattBatesMattBates Member Posts: 4,118
    lucy4 said:

    The sentencing in this country needs to be seriously overhauled.How does this sentence send a deterrent message to those who are committing these knife crimes.


    Do you think a longer sentence would actually be a deterrent?
  • lucy4lucy4 Member Posts: 8,122
    edited November 2019
    If the sentences reflected the crimes (which this thread was about) then I think it would be a starting point in combating the rise in violent crime.Get caught carry a weapon in public minimum 10 years with no parole,using that weapon 25 years.Perhaps it might make the 'carriers' think twice before walking out the door with a weapon.
  • lucy4lucy4 Member Posts: 8,122
    The whole judicial system,sentencing/prisons etc needs overhauling to be brought up to date for the times we now live in.
  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    I think the Police and Law Courts will always be chasing their tails unless a deterrent is found.
    A radical solution is needed.
    Sentences don’t mean a lot, unless they come with “ minimum served “.
    I’ve an acquaintance who has just served 18months, he was gutted when sentenced.
    But, when they come out, there’s not a great choice in areas to find employment with a record,so they’ll likely be up to no good again.
    Regarding the youngsters, the gangs need breaking up,drugs need taking off the streets,the arrogance needs knocking out of them.
    2years in military to turn the tide.
    Non of that will ever happen, so it’s the same old.
  • goldongoldon Member Posts: 9,150
    Who do you blame.......

    I blame the Parents the Government Religion the Pub down our road the cat next door.
  • lucy4lucy4 Member Posts: 8,122
    It seems to be that the going rate for stabbing somebody in the head is 3-4 years,that's a proper deterrent sentence.No wonder the stabbings and killings continue to happen.



  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,452
    MattBates said:

    lucy4 said:

    The sentencing in this country needs to be seriously overhauled.How does this sentence send a deterrent message to those who are committing these knife crimes.


    Do you think a longer sentence would actually be a deterrent?
    To argue that surely means that sending anyone to jail has no effect.

    Just to take one offence.
    I think robbers have always shied away from carrying a gun, as the sentences for armed robbery carry a big premium over just robbery, irrespective of whether the gun is real or fake.

    I see little point in paying any attention to sentences, if they are based on prisoners usually serving only half.

    I think this just provides an illusion.

    If they are just serving half the sentence, wouldn't it be more sensible to give them half the sentence, and expect them to serve it in full.

    This would at lest provide the general public a more accurate view of the sentences being handed out.

    I used to work with someone who got jailed over a road rage incident, where no one was hurt. His previous convictions were admittedly a contributory factor in his sentence, but on the same day he was sentenced at the same Court another offender walked free, after being found guilty of possessing child ****.

    I think our Justice System is in turmoil.

    The police are overstretched, and haven't reacted quickly to new technology. Only 3% of rape cases actually get to Court. The detection of crime is at an all time low. I didn't think I would see in my lifetime, the police not even turning up at the scene of burglaries. Our prisons are a disgrace.

    I watch a bit of true crime on the box, which mostly features the USA, where they seem generally much harder on their sentencing, and its quite commonplace to see sentences of over 100 years, murderers regularly get life with no parole.

    I watched one the other day where they said the State of Florida just doesn't have parole. So they all serve the sentence they get.

    The Government seems to have no clear thinking on sentencing. They have recently discussed jailing less people and tagging more, yet recent events have seemingly changed this to locking everyone up and throwing away the key.

    There was a huge outcry over the paroling of John Worboys the famous taxi driver, but nothing seems to have changed.
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