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WHAT WOULD YOU DO??

damhawk07damhawk07 Member Posts: 18
CALL OR FOLD
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  • K0BAYASHlK0BAYASHl Member Posts: 2,029
    Tell us how the betting went?
  • damhawk07damhawk07 Member Posts: 18
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    Alvez11Small blind100.00100.006810.00
    RobRenziBig blind200.00300.002941.50
    Your hole cards
    • 7
    • 7
    MrFoxFold
    skyflyerRaise400.00700.0013577.00
    BBORU7Fold
    damhawk07Call400.001100.007154.00
    Alvez11Fold
    RobRenziCall200.001300.002741.50
    Flop
    • 7
    • 4
    • Q
    RobRenziCheck
    skyflyerBet400.001700.0013177.00
    damhawk07Call400.002100.006754.00
    RobRenziFold
    Turn
    • Q
    skyflyerBet1575.003675.0011602.00
    damhawk07Call1575.005250.005179.00
    River
    • Q
    skyflyerAll-in11602.0016852.000.00
    damhawk07Fold
    skyflyerMuck
    skyflyerWin5250.005250.00
    skyflyerReturn11602.000.0016852.00
  • Allan23Allan23 Member Posts: 877
    Sigh folding river probably. I'd also be raising flop a decent percentage of the time
  • EnutEnut Member Posts: 3,664
    Yup sigh fold, looks like the nut worst river for you. Not only does AQ, Qx beat you now but so do all PPs better than 7s. Opp has raised pre and bet every street.

    An argument for raising both flop and turn but slow playing that board looks fine until the river hits.

    Unlucky, but good IMO.
  • bbMikebbMike Member Posts: 3,728
    Got to give opponent a lot of credit here I think, opening HJ and barrelling OOP. Good sizing to put you all in for pot on the river when it’s now most unlikely you have a Q.

    Ignoring ICM you need about 33% vs their range to call the pot size bet on the river. They have all pocket pairs above 7 (not sure if they’d barrel all of these but it’s possible given the bounty incentive, plus AQ KQs AQo maybe QJs.

    In terms of combinations then
    Pairs: 36 (or 24 with TT+)
    AQs: 1
    KQs: 1
    QJs: 1
    AQo: 4
    Value: ~31-43 combos


    You need to find half as many bluffs as value to get your 33%.

    They bet flop into 3 people and don’t let up. They’re just super value heavy. Being hyper optimistic you could give

    56s: 4
    Ax club: 9
    KJc: 1
    KTc: 1


    It’s a horrible river but a pretty clear fold I think. Even if you give them all the bluffs in the world you’ve got to be pretty confident that they consider that you had something that was happy to call down and get to fold that river to fire it through.

  • kapowblamzkapowblamz Member Posts: 1,656
    vs skyflyer this is a fist pump call for me. It's not even close.
  • MISTY4MEMISTY4ME Member Posts: 6,395

    vs skyflyer this is a fist pump call for me. It's not even close.

    +1

    I would have Shoved the Turn tbh ...... but then what do I know :)
  • madprofmadprof Member Posts: 3,467
    Same...but I shove with 72 so
  • madprofmadprof Member Posts: 3,467
    Seriously....looking at it again, I would have 3* re raised the flop, then shoved the turn
  • Itsover4uItsover4u Member Posts: 1,538
    edited January 2020
    Against this opponent fist pump call.... against a random... easy fold
  • damhawk07damhawk07 Member Posts: 18
    Was trapping i thought letting him bet away and shove on the river... then i ended up trapping myself
    madprof said:

    Seriously....looking at it again, I would have 3* re raised the flop, then shoved the turn

  • damhawk07damhawk07 Member Posts: 18
    MISTY4ME said:

    vs skyflyer this is a fist pump call for me. It's not even close.

    +1

    I would have Shoved the Turn tbh ...... but then what do I know :)
    at the time i could have but did not want him to fold wanted him to fire again on the river, any over river card and I'm all in
  • madprofmadprof Member Posts: 3,467
    damhawk07 said:

    MISTY4ME said:

    vs skyflyer this is a fist pump call for me. It's not even close.

    +1

    I would have Shoved the Turn tbh ...... but then what do I know :)
    at the time i could have but did not want him to fold wanted him to fire again on the river, any over river card and I'm all in
    Well he didn't fold and he did fire again........
  • FeelGroggyFeelGroggy Member Posts: 843
    I know this player has a reputation of being really aggressive/spewy. Perhaps people know more than me about the extent he fires it off but I still think this is going to be an underbluffed spot. Certainly against the sky poker MTT population it's a good fold.

    Does he have bluffs in his range? In this case yes, he can have 65s, fd's and maybe some random 89 suited type stuff.

    Does he expect you to fold? Probably not. Your range looks strong here, especially if you play tight. You can potentially have 4x AQ, 4x KQ, QJhh,QThh, 6x 88, 6x 99, 6x TT and 6x JJ, (although you should 3bet some of these pre), which he expects you to call. He likely expects a lot of unknowns to stubbornly call 7x as well because it made a full house. The hands that you might fold on the river might not always call turn, such as weaker pp's than 7 and flush draws. He can still have a fair amount of Qx, and potentially all overpairs. Also he will always go all in when he has one of his value hands. He won't always go all in when he has one of his bluffs.

    Maybe this is the one mtt reg where you need to call, I don't know how crazy he is, but I don't think you can go too wrong by folding here. You have a ton of better hands to call as well. This is definitely a good fold vs the average sky regular. Quite a lot of players would have a value bet 100% of the time here and would always give up bluffs.








  • FeelGroggyFeelGroggy Member Posts: 843
    Also I think you played the hand well. You should probably always raise flop in theory, especially vs the small bet size but with a hand that is a lock and is known for barrelling aggressively call is definitely also a good play and might do better in practice than raising. Don't be results orientated by the fact you got a really dirty runout.
  • kapowblamzkapowblamz Member Posts: 1,656
    finkle is einhorn. einhorn is finkle.

    froozle is skyflyer. skyflyer is froozle.

    Weird that the day froozle stopped playing big volume is the day skyflyer shows up on Sky. Almost to the day anyhow. They also play the same.

    Can anyone with a sharkscope account check if they've ever played in a tournament together?

    I am making observations here by the way, not accusations.
  • FeelGroggyFeelGroggy Member Posts: 843
    Skyflyer and Froozle played 13 mtt's together.
  • kapowblamzkapowblamz Member Posts: 1,656
    I'm too bored and impatient this morning.

    Anyway. I'll get my coat.
  • damhawk07damhawk07 Member Posts: 18
    never played against skyflyer before thanks for all the info on him, if i would have known this it may have swayed me to call
  • jordz16jordz16 Member Posts: 2,253
    I think its a fairly easy call at the stack sizes, your opponent will be aware you are likely only calling with the Q or usually a 7 and that represents less than 50% of your range by the river given the potential flush/straight draws and smaller pairs which you will likely have played the same way up til this point that means it will be a +EV spot for him to bluff. also his bet sizing on the flop doesn't suggest hes trying to protect his hand as you'd expect with aq/qk on a draw heavy board. the turn is a great card for him to try and push someone off their draw or low pair which would explain the far larger sizing, and id expect a river shove well over 80% of the time after this river card given the odds hes getting and the range you have... its pretty tough to narrow down his range on this board given how aggressive he plays so its likely much better to consider the range hes putting you on and then work back from there
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