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GUKPT yesterday (31st Jan)
Essexphil
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2 interesting scenarios, which I will put in separate posts.
The first one concerns 2 rulings by a dealer. The standard of dealing was generally excellent, which (to me at least) made this unfathomable.
Firstly, 3 hands before, on the river I had put a 5k chip in, and said "3" into an 8k pot. The dealer immediately says "the bet is 300" and explains why (regardless of the fact that EVERYONE assumed it was 3,000) as it was 150/300 at the time, the bet must be the lowest correct bet. I didn't argue, as that might be super-officious, but I can see the logic. 3 hands later is the key.
Seat 1 was someone that is well-known at the casino (and elsewhere). I won't name him, as this is not his fault. He has not noticed that UTG has raised it to 900. He announces "raise-9" and thereafter puts 900 chips in. Both I and another player said that that verbalised bet is 9,000, not 900. Dealer says it is clear that Seat 1 had meant to put 900 chips in. I wasn't in the hand at that point-floor was getting called if I had....
Thoughts?
The first one concerns 2 rulings by a dealer. The standard of dealing was generally excellent, which (to me at least) made this unfathomable.
Firstly, 3 hands before, on the river I had put a 5k chip in, and said "3" into an 8k pot. The dealer immediately says "the bet is 300" and explains why (regardless of the fact that EVERYONE assumed it was 3,000) as it was 150/300 at the time, the bet must be the lowest correct bet. I didn't argue, as that might be super-officious, but I can see the logic. 3 hands later is the key.
Seat 1 was someone that is well-known at the casino (and elsewhere). I won't name him, as this is not his fault. He has not noticed that UTG has raised it to 900. He announces "raise-9" and thereafter puts 900 chips in. Both I and another player said that that verbalised bet is 9,000, not 900. Dealer says it is clear that Seat 1 had meant to put 900 chips in. I wasn't in the hand at that point-floor was getting called if I had....
Thoughts?
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There is a player on my table who is confident that he is the best player on the table. Who some other players are equally confident is the worst.
I have been at this table for about 90 minutes. In that time he has had AA 5 times, and knocked 4 players out, mostly with, er, unorthodox play. Particularly enchanting has been his ability to predict which cards are coming.
Me 88, him AA. Flop K 8 2 rainbow.
Not the orthodox suckout-he called it correctly. Turn K, river K.
Blessed
Whats it like at a table after the floor has been called and the ruling goes against the dealer?
Its not like they can make you card dead.
The second one I'm not sure about, he probably gets away with one because he is well known. When someone announces raise, they have to raise and because he verbalises a number he should have to raise to that amount, or by that amount (900 more).
Imo it is a bit different to hand 1 scenario, bur as he verbalises raise he surely should have to raise - my ruling as the floor would be he has to min raise the raise, as it were
For me, verbal is binding. "Raise-9". What is the lowest this can mean? 9,000 for me. Anything else is either not a raise, or not a 9.
Firstly, congrats on your exploits in GUPT.
Not being well versed in “ Live Play”, my input is based purely on my interpretation of ‘English Language’ 😉
The word ‘To’ could help in these situations, “ Raise 9” ( IMO ) is very ambiguous, and any newbie to live play ( me and countless others) would have to ask ok what exactly is the bet? Why even say that ? Is it a pro poker player thing?
Shouldn’t we be making live play easier to understand?
I think it could be interpreted in both ways , raising ( another ) 900, or raising to 9k.
Asking the player what he meant should clear it up?
If he didn’t hear the original raise, that’s fair enough no? Dealer could say there’s already a raise to 900, do you mean 9k ? That ( IMO ) should be enough to clear it up.