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Win/Loss Summary.

HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,742
edited February 2020 in Poker Chat
I was talking to another player the other day, and he advised me on how to access the win/loss summary. I wasn't aware that this existed, and have looked up the summary of the last few months with interest.
Although I did find the amount I had staked in a couple of the months I checked, something of a surprise.
I have no reason to doubt these figures.
I usually have a quick look on Sharkscope every couple of months to see how things are shaping up, and obviously your account balance gives you a clue.
I have no wish to run through page after page of stats to examine every game I have played, but I do have some concerns over my own stats.
I think I know the answer to this question, but I will ask it anyway.
The only staking that doesn't include a rake are rebuys, and re-entries.
Your monthly poker points reflect the rake you have paid.
Therefore if your stakes over a particular month shown in the win/loss summary were lets say£3,000, and your poker points for the month were lets say 2,000.
I assume that this would mean you had spent £1,000 over the month on rebuys and re-entries?
Should I also assume that the win/loss summary would include the cost of sats you had played in the stakes each month, but not include the cost of an SPT, or other tourney seat, in the returns column?
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  • Angmar2626Angmar2626 Member Posts: 886
    As I'm sure you know, scope takes the average entry cost in rebuys. So if you're in for 4 bullets in the main, scope will still only count it as 1.2x or whatever. This discrepancy compounds over thousands of tournaments.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,052

    The Win/Loss summary will NOT make any allowances for cash won at an SPT, as that is paid out by the Casino direct to the player. I assumed you knew that, though if you've never cashed at an SPT I guess not....
  • madprofmadprof Member Posts: 3,461
    Tikay10 said:


    The Win/Loss summary will NOT make any allowances for cash won at an SPT, as that is paid out by the Casino direct to the player. I assumed you knew that, though if you've never cashed at an SPT I guess not....

    Ouch...
  • DEL560DEL560 Member Posts: 487
    Interesting....I didn't know about that so just checked 😂
  • MISTY4MEMISTY4ME Member Posts: 6,355
    Tikay10 said:


    The Win/Loss summary will NOT make any allowances for cash won at an SPT, as that is paid out by the Casino direct to the player. I assumed you knew that, though if you've never cashed at an SPT I guess not....

    Obviously @Tikay10 didn't recognise @HAYSIE in his disguise as ABDUL at Nottingham SPT last year. ;)
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,742
    Tikay10 said:


    The Win/Loss summary will NOT make any allowances for cash won at an SPT, as that is paid out by the Casino direct to the player. I assumed you knew that, though if you've never cashed at an SPT I guess not....

    I would like to say that you misunderstood my question, but that probably wasn't the case.
    Sharkscope will include in their stats, a sat entry, and show as winnings the cost of the seat.
    If the sat was for a online tourney they will also include the entry cost when the tourney is played.
    So if you played a £5.20 sat to the Sunday Major and qualified for the semi, then they would show the entry, and winnings of £24.
    They would then show an entry of £24 for the semi, and if you qualified they would show the price of the seat as winnings.
    Then show the seat price as an entry and any cashes as winnings.
    In the case of an SPT I expect they just show the sat cost as an entry, and the seat cost as winnings.

    I was merely asking how the win/loss summary compared.

    As you know my cashing at an SPT is such a rare occurrence I left the money behind the other day.

    From where I am sitting I am able to see a little trophy as a reminder of an appearance at an SPT Grand Final, final table, although I think Churchill was Prime Minister at the time.

    Being an oldie means I cant remember much about it, other than I was definitely wearing socks.

    All this is secondary to the main reason for the thread.

    Which was to ask if the difference between your stakes shown in the win/loss summary, and your poker points, would definitely relate to rebuys and re-entries.
    So repeating the example of earlier if your stakes for the month shown in the win/loss summary were £3,000 and you had gained 2,000 reward points for the same month, does that mean that you have spent £1,000 on rebuys and re-entries?

    The reason I am asking is that my stakes for some months appear quite high, and I was trying to think of a reason for this.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,742
    madprof said:

    Tikay10 said:


    The Win/Loss summary will NOT make any allowances for cash won at an SPT, as that is paid out by the Casino direct to the player. I assumed you knew that, though if you've never cashed at an SPT I guess not....

    Ouch...
    Very reassuring to know whose side you are on.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,742

    As I'm sure you know, scope takes the average entry cost in rebuys. So if you're in for 4 bullets in the main, scope will still only count it as 1.2x or whatever. This discrepancy compounds over thousands of tournaments.

    I was thinking more about the difference in the stakes in the win/loss summary, and reward points.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,742
    MISTY4ME said:

    Tikay10 said:


    The Win/Loss summary will NOT make any allowances for cash won at an SPT, as that is paid out by the Casino direct to the player. I assumed you knew that, though if you've never cashed at an SPT I guess not....

    Obviously @Tikay10 didn't recognise @HAYSIE in his disguise as ABDUL at Nottingham SPT last year. ;)
    He is very forgetful about many things when it suits.
  • madprofmadprof Member Posts: 3,461
    HAYSIE said:

    MISTY4ME said:

    Tikay10 said:


    The Win/Loss summary will NOT make any allowances for cash won at an SPT, as that is paid out by the Casino direct to the player. I assumed you knew that, though if you've never cashed at an SPT I guess not....

    Obviously @Tikay10 didn't recognise @HAYSIE in his disguise as ABDUL at Nottingham SPT last year. ;)
    He is very forgetful about many things when it suits.
    TAXI?!!
  • NOSTRINOSTRI Member Posts: 1,459
    HAYSIE said:

    I was talking to another player the other day, and he advised me on how to access the win/loss summary. I wasn't aware that this existed, and have looked up the summary of the last few months with interest.

    Are you talking about the transaction history under "My Account" with Money In/Out figures or is there something more detailed that I'm also unaware of?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,742
    edited February 2020
    NOSTRI said:

    HAYSIE said:

    I was talking to another player the other day, and he advised me on how to access the win/loss summary. I wasn't aware that this existed, and have looked up the summary of the last few months with interest.

    Are you talking about the transaction history under "My Account" with Money In/Out figures or is there something more detailed that I'm also unaware of?
    You click on my account. Then the account history tab. Just below the tabs there is a link to win/loss summary.
    Scroll down to the gaming history in quick links.
    It will give you a figure for stakes, and returns, and you can go back to each of the last 12 months.
    You should enter Sky Poker, and the month you wish to search.
  • NOSTRINOSTRI Member Posts: 1,459
    HAYSIE said:

    You click on my account. Then the account history tab. Just below the tabs there is a link to win/loss summary.
    Scroll down to the gaming history in quick links.
    It will give you a figure for stakes, and returns, and you can go back to each of the last 12 months.
    You should enter Sky Poker, and the month you wish to search.

    Blimey, that's well hidden. And seemingly not available from the desktop Air app, which explains why I'd never noticed it before.

    FWIW I have a spreadsheet I track all of this in so that I don't have to rely on Sky Poker's rubbish software or Sharkscope. Though I'm simply copying the information from my account history to do so, so it's not tracking rake or even finishing position, simply my net profit with a nice graph that shows how steeply it's declining and some formulas to work out ABI and ROI.

    It's a bit disappointing that none of the major sites which ban HUD use--which I am generally in favour of--don't offer ways to drill down into this sort of information with even a fraction of the flexibility that Poker Tracker or HM offers
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,742
    NOSTRI said:

    HAYSIE said:

    You click on my account. Then the account history tab. Just below the tabs there is a link to win/loss summary.
    Scroll down to the gaming history in quick links.
    It will give you a figure for stakes, and returns, and you can go back to each of the last 12 months.
    You should enter Sky Poker, and the month you wish to search.

    Blimey, that's well hidden. And seemingly not available from the desktop Air app, which explains why I'd never noticed it before.

    FWIW I have a spreadsheet I track all of this in so that I don't have to rely on Sky Poker's rubbish software or Sharkscope. Though I'm simply copying the information from my account history to do so, so it's not tracking rake or even finishing position, simply my net profit with a nice graph that shows how steeply it's declining and some formulas to work out ABI and ROI.

    It's a bit disappointing that none of the major sites which ban HUD use--which I am generally in favour of--don't offer ways to drill down into this sort of information with even a fraction of the flexibility that Poker Tracker or HM offers
    I followed this completely, up to the point that you used the term software.
  • madprofmadprof Member Posts: 3,461
    HAYSIE said:

    NOSTRI said:

    HAYSIE said:

    You click on my account. Then the account history tab. Just below the tabs there is a link to win/loss summary.
    Scroll down to the gaming history in quick links.
    It will give you a figure for stakes, and returns, and you can go back to each of the last 12 months.
    You should enter Sky Poker, and the month you wish to search.

    Blimey, that's well hidden. And seemingly not available from the desktop Air app, which explains why I'd never noticed it before.

    FWIW I have a spreadsheet I track all of this in so that I don't have to rely on Sky Poker's rubbish software or Sharkscope. Though I'm simply copying the information from my account history to do so, so it's not tracking rake or even finishing position, simply my net profit with a nice graph that shows how steeply it's declining and some formulas to work out ABI and ROI.

    It's a bit disappointing that none of the major sites which ban HUD use--which I am generally in favour of--don't offer ways to drill down into this sort of information with even a fraction of the flexibility that Poker Tracker or HM offers
    I followed this completely, up to the point that you used the term software.
    Softwear's that nice cardigan you got at Xmas
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,742
    madprof said:

    HAYSIE said:

    NOSTRI said:

    HAYSIE said:

    You click on my account. Then the account history tab. Just below the tabs there is a link to win/loss summary.
    Scroll down to the gaming history in quick links.
    It will give you a figure for stakes, and returns, and you can go back to each of the last 12 months.
    You should enter Sky Poker, and the month you wish to search.

    Blimey, that's well hidden. And seemingly not available from the desktop Air app, which explains why I'd never noticed it before.

    FWIW I have a spreadsheet I track all of this in so that I don't have to rely on Sky Poker's rubbish software or Sharkscope. Though I'm simply copying the information from my account history to do so, so it's not tracking rake or even finishing position, simply my net profit with a nice graph that shows how steeply it's declining and some formulas to work out ABI and ROI.

    It's a bit disappointing that none of the major sites which ban HUD use--which I am generally in favour of--don't offer ways to drill down into this sort of information with even a fraction of the flexibility that Poker Tracker or HM offers
    I followed this completely, up to the point that you used the term software.
    Softwear's that nice cardigan you got at Xmas
    That's the one.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,742
    HAYSIE said:

    Tikay10 said:


    The Win/Loss summary will NOT make any allowances for cash won at an SPT, as that is paid out by the Casino direct to the player. I assumed you knew that, though if you've never cashed at an SPT I guess not....

    I would like to say that you misunderstood my question, but that probably wasn't the case.
    Sharkscope will include in their stats, a sat entry, and show as winnings the cost of the seat.
    If the sat was for a online tourney they will also include the entry cost when the tourney is played.
    So if you played a £5.20 sat to the Sunday Major and qualified for the semi, then they would show the entry, and winnings of £24.
    They would then show an entry of £24 for the semi, and if you qualified they would show the price of the seat as winnings.
    Then show the seat price as an entry and any cashes as winnings.
    In the case of an SPT I expect they just show the sat cost as an entry, and the seat cost as winnings.

    I was merely asking how the win/loss summary compared.

    As you know my cashing at an SPT is such a rare occurrence I left the money behind the other day.

    From where I am sitting I am able to see a little trophy as a reminder of an appearance at an SPT Grand Final, final table, although I think Churchill was Prime Minister at the time.

    Being an oldie means I cant remember much about it, other than I was definitely wearing socks.

    All this is secondary to the main reason for the thread.

    Which was to ask if the difference between your stakes shown in the win/loss summary, and your poker points, would definitely relate to rebuys and re-entries.
    So repeating the example of earlier if your stakes for the month shown in the win/loss summary were £3,000 and you had gained 2,000 reward points for the same month, does that mean that you have spent £1,000 on rebuys and re-entries?

    The reason I am asking is that my stakes for some months appear quite high, and I was trying to think of a reason for this.
    So does anyone know the answer?

    Wheres Matt Bates then, he knows everything?

    He just pops up on your table with a load of chips on a regular basis, when you don't want to see him.

    Yet cant be found when you need him.

    Its no wonder that people complain about this site.
  • MattBatesMattBates Member Posts: 4,118
    Reporting for duty! What’s the exact question?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,742
    MattBates said:

    Reporting for duty! What’s the exact question?

    Which was to ask if the difference between your stakes shown in the win/loss summary, and your poker points, would definitely relate to rebuys and re-entries.
    So repeating the example of earlier if your stakes for the month shown in the win/loss summary were £3,000 and you had gained 2,000 reward points for the same month, does that mean that you have spent £1,000 on rebuys and re-entries?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,742
    HAYSIE said:

    MattBates said:

    Reporting for duty! What’s the exact question?

    Which was to ask if the difference between your stakes shown in the win/loss summary, and your poker points, would definitely relate to rebuys and re-entries.
    So repeating the example of earlier if your stakes for the month shown in the win/loss summary were £3,000 and you had gained 2,000 reward points for the same month, does that mean that you have spent £1,000 on rebuys and re-entries?
    He must be deliberating.
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