Did I make a really bad fold?

Enut

A £10 MTT and we're down to about 14 with 10 paid, I think I was 2/3rd in chips and villain is the only player on the table who can leave me on fumes. I don't have any note on villain but he has been very loose/aggressive in my limited time on this table. I was maybe too concerned about not crashing out when I had got myself into a good position and already had 9 bounties. In hindsight and with a bit more time to think about it, I think my fold is probably horrible, but I would be interested in your opinions. FWIW a couple of orbits later I had AQ in the sb and ran it into bbs 77, which crippled me and I went out before the money anyway.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
xxxxx	Small blind		200.00	200.00	14952.50
Enut	Big blind		400.00	600.00	16250.00
	Your hole cards	A Q
lyonsbob06	Fold
scotty77	Fold
stocky15	Fold
trundle	Fold
xxxxx	Call		200.00	800.00	14752.50
Enut	Raise		800.00	1600.00	15450.00
xxxxx	Call		800.00	2400.00	13952.50
Flop
		Q 5 6
xxxxx	Check
Enut	Bet		1800.00	4200.00	13650.00
xxxxx	All-in		13952.50	18152.50	0.00
Enut	Fold
xxxxxx	Muck
xxxxxx	Win		6000.00		6000.00
xxxxxx	Return		12152.50	0.00	18152.50

kapowblamz

This is an incredibly nitty fold. Super duper mega nitty. What AREN'T you folding here? Just sets? A loose aggressive villain in this spot has about a trillion different combos here that you're light years ahead of.

NOSTRI

IMO they frequently have a set or two pair here. Small pairs like 55/66 are all over their limp-calling range pre, along with Q6s/Q5s. Straight draws and plenty of flush draws can be too but it's hard to say if they would 3b-jam 34bb with those. If you can be confident this player will have worse top pairs or draws here then you're in great shape.

I've been watching a lot of Assassinato training videos lately and something he constantly goes back to is when weak players raise you, believe them. If you're confident it's a genuinely competent laggy player, then you should probably call.

Allan23

Snap call

tomgoodun

Hi Paul
I’m calling before his chips reach the middle 😊
Thoughts before betting?
Things to consider before your C bet - What do I do if he raises me? What do I do if he shoves?
The consideration of above should include his previous, the board texture, and assigned range.
I’m a fish though 😉

waller02

The only excuse you could have for folding is if you didn't make it back to your computer in time after running around the room cheering with a Shearer like arm in the air.

I notice you mention about being on a bad run on another thread. I guess this is what is playing on your mind here. You convince yourself you're behind because of it. It's easily done, but you have got to try and keep it out if your mind or it ends up affecting your decision making like it has here.

Itsover4u

NOSTRI said:

IMO they frequently have a set or two pair here. Small pairs like 55/66 are all over their limp-calling range pre, along with Q6s/Q5s. Straight draws and plenty of flush draws can be too but it's hard to say if they would 3b-jam 34bb with those. If you can be confident this player will have worse top pairs or draws here then you're in great shape.

I've been watching a lot of Assassinato training videos lately and something he constantly goes back to is when weak players raise you, believe them. If you're confident it's a genuinely competent laggy player, then you should probably call.

Why would he rejam a set ot two pair? He would try to extract value surely.

Should be made bigger 9n his limp pre but yeah it's a snap call. If he has you he had you but you can be happy you made the long term profitable correct call

NOSTRI

Itsover4u said:

Why would he rejam a set ot two pair? He would try to extract value surely.

That's what he should do. I see people fast play hands like this all the time at £5 and below. Admittedly I don't know what the £11 pool is like, that's why I've raised the question of whether villain is genuinely competent or not. I think it makes a difference here. Long-term it's obviously a fine call.

Essexphil

You need a compelling reason to fold.

So IF you have clear notes on the player only betting like this with 2 pair or more, or IF it was 2008, it's a fold.

If not, it's a snap call.

Enut

Thanks everyone for your comments, agreed I probably messed up here (which is why I posted it). In my defence, and in agreement with @NOSTRI, I have called in similar positions before and been shown two pair a lot, admittedly that makes his holding either 56 or the funky Q5 or Q6 but that certainly wouldn't have surprised me.

I would agree that sets shouldn't be shoved but sometimes they are, especially by poorer looser players.

Against a smaller stack I call too.

As a post script once I had lost most of my stack in a flip against the sb I had about 4 bb left when in the big blind. Villain was in the sb again (obv) and called pre. The flop came KK4 and he checked, I shoved my remaining chips in with Qx thinking that he couldn't have Ax as he would have surely jammed pre? Anyway he called with A9 and held.

Next time I play him I will have some better notes!

waller02

Enut said:

Thanks everyone for your comments, agreed I probably messed up here (which is why I posted it). In my defence, and in agreement with @NOSTRI, I have called in similar positions before and been shown two pair a lot, admittedly that makes his holding either 56 or the funky Q5 or Q6 but that certainly wouldn't have surprised me.

I would agree that sets shouldn't be shoved but sometimes they are, especially by poorer looser players.

Against a smaller stack I call too.

As a post script once I had lost most of my stack in a flip against the sb I had about 4 bb left when in the big blind. Villain was in the sb again (obv) and called pre. The flop came KK4 and he checked, I shoved my remaining chips in with Qx thinking that he couldn't have Ax as he would have surely jammed pre? Anyway he called with A9 and held.

Next time I play him I will have some better notes!

I agree too, you do see them turn up with random 2 pair hands here, but more often than not you are miles ahead.